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AIDS rate for homosexuals climbs; data called 'astonishing'
Baptist Press ^ | Dec 2, 2004 | Michael Foust

Posted on 12/05/2004 2:00:09 PM PST by Coleus

AIDS rate for homosexuals climbs; data called 'astonishing'
Dec 2, 2004
By Michael Foust

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--New statistics showing that homosexual men make up 44 percent of all new HIV and AIDS cases underscore the fact that homosexuality itself is unnatural, a prominent leader in the ex-homosexual community says.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data Dec. 2 showing that the number of newly diagnosed HIV and AIDS cases has increased 11 percent among homosexual men. The data spanned a four-year period ending in 2003.

Despite the fact that homosexual men make up only 1 to 2 percent of the population, they nonetheless made up more than 40 percent of the new cases, the data showed.

Tim Wilkins, head of Cross Ministry, Inc. -- a Christian outreach to homosexuals -- called the data "astonishing."

"If homosexuality was normal and natural, you would not have a disease that spreads as ravenously as this does," said Wilkins, who is married now but once was involved in homosexuality.

Homosexual activists responded to the news by calling for better education and prevention -- for instance, the promotion of condom usage. But Wilkins said the problem can be found in homosexual sex itself. Men were not made to have sex with men, he said.

"All of mankind is physiologically heterosexual -- that's just a fact," Wilkins said. "One hundred percent of the homosexual community is physiologically heterosexual.

"We can throw more and more money, bigger budgets, bigger programs, more education [at the problem]. And we see that education is not correcting the problem at all."

For years, studies have shown that homosexual men are prone to promiscuity. A University of Chicago study released in 2003 found that 61 percent of homosexuals in Chicago’s Shoreland area had more than 30 sexual partners. Perhaps just as telling, some two-thirds of same-sex "marriages" in Massachusetts have involved lesbians -- underscoring, pro-family leaders say, the notion that homosexual men are less prone to commitment.

"[The CDC] statistic obviously shows a pathology that indicates an abnormality," Wilkins said. "From a Christian perspective we would call it sin."

Such statistics should result in the scientific community re-evaluating its position on homosexuality, Wilkins said.

The Christian church, though, should not respond by saying, "I told you so," Wilkins said. Instead, the church should respond with compassion.

"We can't allow sin in any form to repulse us from reaching out to people who are hurting," he said. "As horrible as AIDS is, it can be -- and I believe it is -- an opportunity for the church to reach people who are broken."
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For information about the national debate over same-sex "marriage," visit http://www.bpnews.net/samesexmarriage


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To: Coleus
Recent post about "barebacking" parties:

Playing it unsafe

61 posted on 12/05/2004 3:16:51 PM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: Coleus

Even with the obviously biased source of this article, the stats speak for themselves. Gay men are not taking AIDS seriously.

I can't think of very many more thing we can do to convince them to end their dangerous behavior.

The government needs to start treating this disease like any other epidemic and end the PC crap.


62 posted on 12/05/2004 3:19:03 PM PST by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Coleus; little jeremiah; scripter
BTTT
63 posted on 12/05/2004 3:31:20 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Coleus
BTTT


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

64 posted on 12/05/2004 3:32:13 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Voice in your head
"'If homosexuality was normal and natural, you would not have a disease that spreads as ravenously as this does,' said Wilkins, who is married now but once was involved in homosexuality."

What does that mean?

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I did volunteer work for a Christian charity in DC, working with AIDS patients for several years. Among other things, I took patients to medical appointments and learned a lot about the disease.

Sorry if this is too graphic, but anal intercourse is one of the main ways the disease is spread. That part of the human body was not meant for sex. Unlike the thick tissue in a woman's sexual organs, the tissue in the rectal area is thin and rips easily, exposing tiny open capillaries. Disease spreads through these open blood vessels directly into the bloodstream. Besides AIDS, sodomy is also a good way to get hepatitis and other diseases.

When kids are taught in school in vague terms that this is just an "alternative sexual practice", I'll bet nobody tells them that you can get fatal diseases this way.

65 posted on 12/05/2004 3:36:56 PM PST by Old Lady
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To: Coleus

The worst thing,that frightens me the most is some gays
intentionally try to spread it to the heterosexual community. They hate that it is seen as the "gay disease"
and want to work around their responsibility to prevent infection. Plus, they think if more heterosexuals are getting it there will be no limit to funds for a cure.

They sure yelled a lot when IV-drug users were added as a large group of those geting infected, but now IV-drug users can get clean needles.

There is no doubt in "my" mind that if the majority of Aids cases (regardless of who has it) could be traced to its host source, that source would be a gay man.



66 posted on 12/05/2004 3:39:28 PM PST by Recall
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To: Coleus

The incidence of syphyllus is skyrocketing among the same demographic. So much so, that the department of health want's to run adds that feature a cartoon character in the form of a sphyllitic sore. When do they want to run it? Any old time they like, is what the plan was until it hit some bumpy sledding on the way to airing the promo.

The incidence of syphyllus is not skyrocketing in the general populace. This is another public health issue foisted off on the general public, because as everyone knows, 'this is not just a homosexual realated disease.' Cough cough, ahem.

The public health departments have refused to recognize and tread aids and other homosexual related contageons with the same due dilligence they would if this were truly a disease of the populace at large.

If heterosexuals were acting with the same reckless abandon that homosexuals have been, in the face of facts regarding the spread of a terminal illness, they'd have locked up the perps years ago.

Bath houses should have been closed over a decade ago. Parties that centered around promescuity in the democraphic most at risk, and most likely to spread the disease far and wide should have been raided and broken up also.

If a person was infected and continued to carry on infecting others, they should have been quaranteened.

The public heath departments have acted in a criminal manner to spar those who didn't care enough to spare anyone else. It's a national scandle, perhaps best described as a global scandal the way AIDS has been combated, or more acurrately NOT.


67 posted on 12/05/2004 3:41:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: WideGlide

When faggies do faggies, this is the result. Bottom line, end of discussion. Just what part of "laws of nature" do they not understand?


68 posted on 12/05/2004 3:45:49 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Old Lady; Travis McGee; ethical; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Bryan; MeekOneGOP; Coleus; Grampa Dave

When kids are taught in school in vague terms that this is just an "alternative sexual practice", I'll bet nobody tells them that you can get fatal diseases this way.


You're right. Here's a reply I posted to Travis McGee in the thread "Elementary school students witness gay marriages :

Anal sex will have to be dealt with on an equal footing with normal heterosexual sex...

...Just be sure to use a quality lubricant, or you could hurt your 'special friend' Michael. And remember to take your time; it only hurts at first...


There are many people who will scoff at your commentary, however it's documented in actual homosexual publications on recommended reading lists for middle and high school aged kids:

An excerpt from "GLSEN Encourages Teens In Anal SEX "Don't give up.""

"The following quotes are from three Alyson publications recomended to teens by GLSEN: Young, Gay and Proud!, One Teenager in Ten, and Two Teenagers in Twenty...

These books are in middle and high schools around the nation. Adults, real adults, have a responsibility to inform themselves about whats going on in public schools we fund. It is criminal to allow these people to educate our children on matters of sexuality!The children are depending on us to protect them. Please pass this information on to parents and other concerned adults.

Advice offered to teenagers in Young, Gay and Proud!

The page numbers will differ depending on what edition you have.

"Doing it: Gay men...Many people don't know the anus is not only an organ to remove waste. It's very sexually exciteable...Your first few times having anal sex might be a little hard. You may have to practice a bit before it starts feeling really good. I sure did." (pg. 81)

...If this presents a realistic look into the life of a child struggling with same sex desires then these children are seduced/molested at an alarmingly high rate and engage in dangerous/abusive sexual activity at a very young age. What's worse is that the adults who purport to care most about them (the editor of this book for example) present this sexual abuse as if they were tender "coming of age" stories. As if the children struggling with same sex desires are showing how healthy they are by engaging in sex with adults and by having sexual encounters regularly beginning at a very young age.

And, the message is clear, if "straight" kids don't want to be closed-minded, if they want to be "open" and "free" they'll mimic the homosexual sexual behavior and promiscuity related in these books.

In several stories intense sexual activity as a child is presented as normal and healthy, even child/adult sex is presented without question. Five and six year old's who regularly engaged in sex are described as children "who were willing" to explore their sexuality "to it's fullest extent." Many stories fondly recount a youthful sexual encounter with a much older man or woman. Sexual promiscuity and engaging in sex as a child/teenager is presented as "sexual freedom".

Heterosexual or "questioning" youth are encouraged to try same sex intercourse because, the Kinseyin theory is repeated over and over, "Everyone's really gay or bisexual." and "You won't know if you like it until you try it."..."



69 posted on 12/05/2004 3:50:20 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: bigfootbob

"What about the so-called "bug chasers" that try to acquire the disease. They call it the "gift".

After all, the cocktails they take to keep them healthy works great, just a minor inconvenience, you see."

If these homos had to pay for these cocktails of drugs themselves, instead of relying on you and me, they may not think of it as an inconvience.


70 posted on 12/05/2004 3:56:35 PM PST by hophead ("enjoy every sandwich")
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To: HitmanNY

There was a movie called Jeffrey that came out about a decade ago that espoused that very theory. That AIDS is part of their lifestyle and that they shouldn't worry about it and if they get it it's to be worn as a badge of honor. I walked out of the movie. It was truly disgusting.


71 posted on 12/05/2004 3:58:45 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: Bullish

"That may sound very cold to some, but then I've never been one to beat around the bush."
Maybe if these gays did some "beating around the bush" they may like it.


72 posted on 12/05/2004 4:02:11 PM PST by hophead ("enjoy every sandwich")
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To: Hildy

Wild!


73 posted on 12/05/2004 4:05:41 PM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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To: Coleus

Peter Duesberg, Claus Koehnlein and David Rasnick

390

Table 4. The HIV-AIDS hypothesis*: 17 predictions versus the facts.

No. Prediction Fact

1. Since HIV is “the sole cause of AIDS”, it must be abundant

in AIDS patients based on “exactly the same criteria as for

other viral diseases.”

But, only antibodies against HIV are found in most

patients (1–7)**. Therefore, “HIV infection is identified in

blood by detecting antibodies, gene sequences, or viral

isolation.” But, HIV can only be “isolated” from rare, latently

infected lymphocytes that have been cultured for

weeks in vitro – away from the antibodies of the human

host (8). Thus HIV behaves like a latent passenger virus.

2. Since HIV is “the sole cause of AIDS”, there is no AIDS in

HIV-free people.

But, the AIDS literature has described at least 4621 HIVfree

AIDS cases according to one survey – irrespective of,

or in agreement with allowances made by the CDC for

HIV-free AIDS cases (55).

3. The retrovirus HIV causes immunodeficiency by killing

T-cells (1–3).

But, retroviruses do not kill cells because they depend on

viable cells for the replication of their RNA from viral

DNA integrated into cellular DNA (4, 25). Thus, T-cells

infected in vitro thrive, and those patented to mass-produce

HIV for the detection of HIV antibodies and diagnosis

of AIDS are immortal (9–15)!

4. Following “exactly the same criteria as for other viral diseases”,

HIV causes AIDS by killing more T-cells than the body

can replace. Thus T-cells or “CD4 lymphocytes . . . become

depleted in people with AIDS”.

But, even in patients dying from AIDS less than 1 in 500

of the T-cells “that become depleted” are ever infected by

HIV (16–20, 54). This rate of infection is the hallmark of

a latent passenger virus (21).

5. With an RNA of 9 kilobases, just like polio virus, HIV

should be able to cause one specific disease, or no disease if

it is a passenger (22).

But, HIV is said to be “the sole cause of AIDS”, or of 26

different immunodeficiency and non-immunodeficiency

diseases, all of which also occur without HIV (table 2).

Thus there is not one HIV-specific disease, which is the

definition of a passenger virus!

6. All viruses are most pathogenic prior to anti-viral immunity.

Therefore, preemptive immunization with Jennerian vaccines is

used to protect against all viral diseases since 1798.

But, AIDS is observed – by definition – only after anti-

HIV immunity is established, a positive HIV/AIDS test

(23). Thus HIV cannot cause AIDS by “the same criteria”

as conventional viruses.

7. HIV needs “5–10 years” from establishing antiviral immunity

to cause AIDS.

But, HIV replicates in 1 day, generating over 100 new HIVs

per cell (24, 25). Accordingly, HIV is immunogenic, i.e. biochemically

most active, within weeks after infection (26, 27).

Thus, based on conventional criteria “for other viral diseases”,

HIV should also cause AIDS within weeks – if it could.

8. “Most people with HIV infection show signs of AIDS within

5–10 years” – the justification for prophylaxis of AIDS with

the DNA chain terminator AZT (§ 4).

But, of “34×3 million . . . with HIV worldwide” only 1×4%

[= 471,457 (obtained by substracting the WHO’s cumulative

total of 1999 from that of 2000)] developed AIDS in 2000,

and similarly low percentages prevailed in all previous years

(28). Likewise, in 1985, only 1×2% of the 1 million US citizens

with HIV developed AIDS (29, 30). Since an annual incidence

of 1×2–1×4% of all 26 AIDS defining diseases combined is no

more than the normal mortality in the US and Europe (life expectancy

of 75 years), HIV must be a passenger virus.

9. A vaccine against HIV should (“is hoped” to) prevent

AIDS – the reason why AIDS researchers try to develop an

AIDS vaccine since 1984 (31).

But, despite enormous efforts there is no such vaccine to

this day (31). Moreover, since AIDS occurs by definition

only in the presence of natural antibodies against HIV

(§ 3), and since natural antibodies are so effective that no

HIV is detectable in AIDS patients (see No. 1), even the

hopes for a vaccine are irrational.

10. HIV, like other viruses, survives by transmission from host

to host, which is said to be mediated “through sexual contact”.

But, only 1 in 1000 unprotected sexual contacts transmits

HIV (32–34), and only 1 of 275 US citizens is HIV-infected

(29, 30), (figure 1b). Therefore, an average un-infected

US citizen needs 275,000 random “sexual contacts” to get

infected and spread HIV – an unlikely basis for an epidemic!

(Table 4. Cond.)

J. Biosci. | Vol. 28 | No. 4 | June 2003

The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics

391

Table 4.

No. Prediction Fact

11. “AIDS spreads by infection” of HIV. But, contrary to the spread of AIDS, there is no “spread”

of HIV in the US. In the US HIV infections have remained

constant at 1 million from 1985 (29) until now (30), (see

also The Durban Declaration and figure 1b). By contrast,

AIDS has increased from 1981 until 1992 and has declined

ever since (figure 1a).

12. Many of the 3 million people who annually receive blood transfusions

in the US for life-threatening diseases (51), should have

developed AIDS from HIV-infected blood donors prior to the

elimination of HIV from the blood supply in 1985.

But there was no increase in AIDS-defining diseases in

HIV-positive transfusion recipients in the AIDS era (52),

and no AIDS-defining Kaposi’s sarcoma has ever been

observed in millions of transfusion recipients (53).

13. Doctors are at high risk to contract AIDS from patients, HIV

researchers from virus preparations, wives of HIV-positive

hemophiliacs from husbands, and prostitutes from clients –

particularly since there is no HIV vaccine.

But, in the peer-reviewed literature there is not one doctor or

nurse who has ever contracted AIDS (not just HIV) from the

over 816,000 AIDS patients recorded in the US in 22 years

(30). Not one of over ten thousand HIV researchers has contracted

AIDS. Wives of hemophiliacs do not get AIDS (35).

And there is no AIDS-epidemic in prostitutes (36–38). Thus

AIDS is not contagious (39, 40).

14. Viral AIDS – like all viral/microbial epidemics in the past

(41–43) – should spread randomly in a population.

But, in the US and Europe AIDS is restricted since 1981

to two main risk groups, intravenous drug users and male

homosexual drug users (§ 1 and 4).

15. A viral AIDS epidemic should form a classical, bell-shaped

chronological curve (41–43), rising exponentially via virus

spread and declining exponentially via natural immunity,

within months (see figure 3a).

But, AIDS has been increasing slowly since 1981 for 12

years and is now declining since 1993 (figure 1a), just like

a lifestyle epidemic, as for example lung cancer from

smoking (figure 3b).

16. AIDS should be a pediatric epidemic now, because HIV is

transmitted “from mother to infant” at rates of 25–50% (44–

49), and because “34×3 million people worldwide” were already

infected in 2000. To reduce the high maternal transmission

rate HIV-antibody-positive pregnant mothers are

treated with AZT for up to 6 months prior to birth (§ 4).

But, less than 1% of AIDS in the US and Europe is pediatric

(30, 50). Thus HIV must be a passenger virus in newborns.

17. “HIV recognizes no social, political or geographic borders”

– just like all other viruses.

But, the presumably HIV-caused AIDS epidemics of

Africa and of the US and Europe differ both clinically and

epidemiologically (§ 1, table 2). The US/European epidemic

is highly nonrandom, 80% male and restricted to

abnormal risk groups, whereas the African epidemic is

random.

*All quotes are from The Durban Declaration, the most authoritative edition of the HIV-AIDS hypothesis to date, which was signed

“by over 5000 people, including Nobel prizewinners” and published in Nature in 2000 (The Durban Declaration 2000). **Numbers

in parentheses are for the following references: (1) (Marx 1984); (2) (Gallo et al 1984); (3) (Altman 1984); (4) (Duesberg 1987);

(5) (Duesberg 1988); (6) (Duesberg 1994); (7) (Duesberg and Bialy 1996); (8) (Levy et al 1984); (9) (Hoxie et al 1985); (10)

(Anand et al 1987); (11) (Langhoff et al 1989); (12) (Duesberg 1996b); (13) (Weiss 1991); (14) (Cohen 1993); (15) (McCune

2001); (16) (Harper et al 1986); (17) (Schnittman et al 1989); (18) (Hazenberg et al 2000); (19) (Duesberg 1988); (20) (Blattner

et al 1988); (21) (Enserink 2001); (22) (Fields 2001); (23) (Centers for Disease Control 1992); (24) (Duesberg and Rasnick 1998);

(25) (Duesberg 1992); (26) (Clark et al 1991); (27) (Daar et al 1991); (28) (World Health Organization 2001b); (29) (Curran et al

1985); (30) (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 2001); (31) (Cohen 2003); (32) (Jacquez et al 1994); (33) (Padian et al

1997); (34) (Gisselquist et al 2002); (35) (Duesberg 1995c; Hoots and Canty 1998); (36) (Mims and White 1984); (37) (Rosenberg

and Weiner 1988); (38) (Root-Bernstein 1993); (39) (Hearst and Hulley 1988); (40) (Sande 1986); (41) (Bregman and Langmuir

1990); (42) (Anderson 1996); (43) (Fenner et al 1974); (44) (Blattner et al 1988); (45) (Duesberg 1988); (46) (Blanche et al 1989);

(47) (Rogers et al 1989); (48) (European Collaborative Study 1991); (49) (Connor et al 1994); (50) (World Health Organization

2000); (51) (Duesberg 1992); (52) (Ward et al 1989); (53) (Haverkos


74 posted on 12/05/2004 4:06:43 PM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: bill1952
It's lack of Bush's fault!

Too good, indeed.

75 posted on 12/05/2004 4:11:31 PM PST by FreeRadical (Buy guns & books & guns & books & guns & books -- For Your Kids.)
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To: diverteach
Actually the A stands for "Adios".
76 posted on 12/05/2004 4:13:24 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: e5man_r_u?
If we as a society treated this sexually transmitted disease the same way we treat any other STD we would see progress as well. Can you imagine the outrage if a new AIDS patient was presented with a form and told to reveal all their partners in the last 6 months?

I would have assumed that they do that. I wonder what the rationale is for not treating it like any other disease?

77 posted on 12/05/2004 4:20:38 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Lunkhead_01
The solution to the AIDS epidemic is not to work to find a "cure" or medications which arrest the onset of symptoms or a vaccine. The solution is to find a way to speed up the onset of the symptoms, to make the disease run its course from infection to death in as short a time as possible. Only then will carriers be prevented from infecting others, and only then will the disease burn itself out.

Yeah, I know, I will be flamed by all the bleeding hearts out there who think I lack compassion for these people. I really don't. I just have more compassion for their future victims than I do for them.

Yes, you WILL be flamed, and for good reason. You are a Peter Singer nutcase.

78 posted on 12/05/2004 4:21:28 PM PST by paulat
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Considerations Regarding Proposals To Give Legal Recognition To Unions Between Homosexual Persons

Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2

79 posted on 12/05/2004 4:33:50 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: paulat
No, Paula, I am not a Peter Singer nutcase. Peter Singer wants to kill people. I just want to let them die because of their own stupidity.
80 posted on 12/05/2004 4:35:27 PM PST by Lunkhead_01
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