China: New Class of ICBM capable Subs

World Net Daily ^ | 12-5-04 | AP

[CGVet58]

where's Jeffhead? haven't read a comment fm him on this...

[Jeff Head]

This new boat is roughly equivalent to the Russian Delta IV IMHO. The missile has had a lot of problems, but when corrected and installed, will give it significant reach. Our own technology transfers (IMHO), and particularly Russian help, contributed greatly to the production of this boat.

My guess is, that we will have an attack sub (Adcap LA, Seawolf or new Virginia class) on this thing the moment it ventures into deep water...just like we do with their other single SSBN, the antiquated Xia. This boat represents a huge improvement over that one, but is still way, way behind the likes of the Ohio class.

The Chinese are also producing two new attack subs. One is a formidable diesel/electric similar to the advanced version of the Russian Kilo. The other is a nuclear attack sub, the type 093, which looks to be roughly equivalent to our initial LA class boats. Still well behind our capability...but much, much more than they should have been able to produce in the time frames.

At the present time, the Chinese are building no less than six new class of new, major, modern combatants at once. This is singificant. They are rapdily finding a place to spend all of their new-found wealth. See The Rising Sea Dragon in Asia.

In any close in fighting, their new naval assets will be dangerous under the umbrella of their large numbers of ground based air.

At this time, anything they attempt to do further from their own shores will end up causing them to be nothing more than scrap metal at the bottom of the ocean courtesy of the USN...and with any surge of our SSN's, their close in efforts would end up being the same without some significant leap in technology like the supercavitating weapons I introduce in my Dragon's Fury Series.

But that is just fiction and represents some monumental achievements which I pray the Chinese are not capable of at this time.

One of the big issues will be which way the mopnetary crisis breaks. The Chinese are exposed there...but so are we.

The PLAN Xia Ballistic Missile Submarine.

The new PLAN Yuan class Diesel/Electric Attack Submarine.

[Jeff Head]

More...

PLAN Type 093 Nuclear Attack Submarine.

PLAN Type 094 Ballistic Missile Submarine.

[JSteff]

"Until American security laxity allows them to steal this too!"

Or until the next democrat president gives it to them for campaign contributions!

[Redbob]

Speaking of cloaking:
No doubt Toshiba will be happy to sell the Chinese that technology, as they did to the Russians in the late '80's.

[sukhoi-30mki]

The US will know everything about the captain of this boat & probably bout his mother in law as well!! -but the real significance of this development is that China has/will have a theoritically unreachable ICBM launchpad.The Type-094 doesn't need to venture far out of Chinese's waters to unload it's 16 ICBMs which can all hit the US East Coast & also places like India.This would make it far easier for the PLAN to protect with it's Kilo class D/Es & Type-093 class N-attack subs & also it's enermous surface fleet & aircover which would figure in the USN's thinking.The existing Xia class boat is pathetically loud & carries IRBMs-hence it needs to enter US waters to even have theoritical chance of launching it's Jl-1s & it would be dead meat weeks before that.If & when the EU lift's it's arms embargo on the PRC(which is likely to be soon),you can see French,Italian & German companies que up to upgrade this boat's sensors/electronics.

[GOP_1900AD]

This has been on my radar screen for a couple of years. I believe this to be on time, from a schedule standpoint. Whistling past the graveyard ....

[GOP_1900AD]

Well it is either late or on schedule, but not ahead of schedule.

[GOP_1900AD]

I liken them to the Germans during the 1930s. Someone looking at them would have concluded that although they had some naval assets, they were not anything like true naval powers such as the US, UK and Japan. For example, no aircraft carriers and much less overall tonnage. Now, if the PRC actually do something about this, and serially produce lots of boats, and do some sort of break neck program for flat tops, then they will have exceeded, relatively speaking, Nazi Germany. In any case, they have come a long way Vs 10 years ago, when I made my first trip over there.

[sevry]

paid for by the ladies who shop at wal-mart.

I recently pointed out, in another thread, that much of Wal-mart stock is brand name and not necessarily made in China. The commodity and unmarked items typically read made in China. Generic plastic and steel utensils. And, of course, Christmas ornaments and such - though many from Sri Lanka, India, etc., too. But not as much as you'd think. What you see are a lot of pots and pans out of China. But you'd be as likely to see that at Costco, or even a pro-supply house.

I think a lot of the China trade is corporate 'out-sourcing' - so-called business to business, used to serve or produce goods you might see, or not. They were given, I think, a huge manufacturing capacity, as factories first closed here in the US, then later even in Korea and elsewhere, in favor of the Chicoms. The Commies have money pouring in a) because they offer cheap or even slave labor without international sanction by the UN or anyone else (incl. the US, alone) and b) because many sending business their way are Commie sympathizers in one way or another. Corporations are lousy with leftists.

[sevry]

But Babylon typically meant - Rome. The closest thing to Rome, today, is the US.

[Poohbah]

Well it is either late or on schedule, but not ahead of schedule.

Well, if you shift your schedule far enough to the right after overrunning the original schedule, you can be ahead of schedule. (c8

Back in 1998, when I first heard of the Type 094, the US Navy was estimating that she'd launch in 2002 and be at sea in 2003.