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Pregnant women who take slimming pills 'are more likely to have gay children'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/5/2004 | Robert Matthews

Posted on 12/04/2004 6:37:54 PM PST by wjersey

Women who take slimming and thyroid pills during pregnancy are substantially more likely to have homosexual children, according to research.

A study of thousands of mothers and their adult children has revealed that Thyroxine – used to treat thyroid deficiency – and amphetamine-based diet pills appear to influence sexual orientation. Both were identified as being strongly linked to a higher rate of homosexuality among female offspring.

The mothers of homosexuals were found to be up to eight times more likely to have taken such drugs, with the effect being strongest with daughters whose mothers took the drugs during the first three months of pregnancy. The discovery, to be published by researchers in America, backs claims that human sexuality is determined by genetic and biochemical factors at work during early pregnancy.

Prof Lee Ellis and colleagues at Minot State University, North Dakota, traced the mothers of more than 5,000 American and Canadian students and members of gay and lesbian support groups, looking for links between prescription drugs taken during pregnancy and the sexual orientation of their children.

The researchers found that the mothers of homosexual women were at least five times more likely to have taken synthetic thyroid medications during pregnancy than mothers of heterosexual women, and eight times more likely to have used amphetamine-based diet pills such as Dexedrine and diethylpropion.

They also found evidence that some drugs have the opposite effect during pregnancy, reducing the probability of homosexual offspring. Mothers of heterosexual males were 70 per cent more likely to have taken drugs to combat nausea than those of male homosexuals.

The results suggest that the effect of the drugs is strongest with female babies and when taken during the first three months of pregnancy, which accords with previous studies showing that sexual orientation is decided during this period. The results will appear in the journal Personality and Individual Differences.

Prof Ellis and his colleagues state: "These analyses support the conclusion that female offspring are more vulnerable to alterations in sexual orientation via exposure to a variety of prescription drugs, and suggest that this vulnerability is greatest during the first trimester." The researchers emphasise that the numbers taking the drugs were small and that a larger study should be undertaken. Nevertheless, they conclude: "Mothers of the female homosexuals were significantly more likely than mothers of female heterosexuals to have taken diet pills and thyroid medications during pregnancy."

Dr Glenn Wilson of the Institute of Psychiatry, London, and author of a forthcoming book on the origins of homosexuality, said: "These types of medication could have an effect on brain chemistry and research suggests that this is a major factor in determining sexual orientation."

Prof Jim Dornan, the vice-president of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, said that the findings were in line with others pointing to the importance of pre-natal factors in adult life. "We know that nutrients during pregnancy can affect health in later life. This is a very interesting finding and definitely deserves further study."

The finding adds to mounting concern over the use of slimming pills by women trying to lose weight. Prof Dornan said: "All drugs can cross the placental barrier and, looking back, we weren't so aware of what was going on inside the womb. Nowadays, the Royal College's view is that women should not take drugs unless there is a clinical need."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: health; homosexualagenda; homosexualscience; prenataldevelopment; teratogens
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This will make the lawyers happy!
1 posted on 12/04/2004 6:37:54 PM PST by wjersey
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To: wjersey
SHEER CRAP!

THAT is NOT what causes "gay children".

It's ABUSE, sexual or otherwise that determines if they are gay or promiscuous etc.. certainly NOT a pill.
2 posted on 12/04/2004 6:41:05 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wjersey

Thanks Mom!
Thanks a ton!


3 posted on 12/04/2004 6:41:25 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: wjersey

Maybe this discovery will open doors to finding a cure.


4 posted on 12/04/2004 6:43:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: wjersey

Overly vain parents rear psychologically screwed up kids. Who'd guess that?


5 posted on 12/04/2004 6:45:18 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: billorites

6 posted on 12/04/2004 6:45:18 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Oh yeah - and F the french too!)
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To: wjersey

Pregnant women who take any unncessary medication wihole carrying a child are INSANE...


7 posted on 12/04/2004 6:49:27 PM PST by ken5050
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To: wjersey

Ummm...lemme think.

Neurotic self-conscious women who need to take SLIMMING tablets when pregnant, produce neurotic, gay progeny. Sounds plausible.


8 posted on 12/04/2004 6:50:17 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: wjersey; onyx; cyborg

9 posted on 12/04/2004 6:51:03 PM PST by Petronski (WARNING: Persons denying the existence of Robots may be Robots themselves.)
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To: avg_freeper

bttt


11 posted on 12/04/2004 6:52:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: nmh

why couldn't some drug cause gay children? unless you think being gay is normal... plenty of drugs cause mental and physical disorders


12 posted on 12/04/2004 6:52:55 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: wjersey

Better gay than sad!


13 posted on 12/04/2004 6:53:23 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: wjersey
I didn't read enough of the article to see if they tried to draw a causal connection between the two (the parts I saw didn't). However, I would like to warn those who refuse to think logically to remember the following:

Correlation Does NOT Equal Causation.

There may be a clear correlation between the two. However, that doesn't mean the pills caused offspring to be gay.

It is entirely possible that the type of person inclined to take the specific type of drug in question is also the type of person that raises children in a specific manner that leads to the child being gay.

Again, all I can see is that they have found a correlation. That is interesting in and of itself, but it does not explain any explanation for actual cause. What 'caused' the child to be gay could very well be the thing that 'caused' the mother to take the pills.

So far, we know little to nothing. Too often, reporters draw incorrect conclusions from the discovery of a correlation (which can even be pure coincidence). Even when reported correctly, too many readers draw the same incorrect conclusion.

It makes me think of the stories when a kid goes on a killing spree and they discover that he was on psychiatric drugs. People instantly assume the drug caused the killing spree, never stopping to think that the thing that 'caused' the killing spree could very well have been the thing that 'cause' the parents / doctor / school administrator to put the kid on the drug in the first place - with the drug merely failing to prevent the final tragedy.

14 posted on 12/04/2004 6:53:43 PM PST by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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To: nmh
It's ABUSE, sexual or otherwise that determines if they are gay or promiscuous etc.. certainly NOT a pill.

Why on Earth would an Intelligent Designer create this effect? Where is the love in creating a process that punishes the victim of abuse?

15 posted on 12/04/2004 6:54:35 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: bluefish
"Correlation Does NOT Equal Causation. "

sure it does. unless endless FR threads on acutane and antidepressents causing teen suicide are wrong

16 posted on 12/04/2004 6:55:29 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: Happygal
Crap... Never fails. I type 48 paragraphs trying to explain something and by the time I'm done, another Freeper has done the same thing in a simple, elegant sentence. Sometimes just a word or two even!

Thanks for summing up my thoughts before I even finished them. Would you be willing to provide lessons on how to do that? Heh heh..

17 posted on 12/04/2004 6:56:54 PM PST by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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To: BenLurkin
"Maybe this discovery will open doors to finding a cure."

A brilliant observation!

Support research to find a cure for homosexuality!

18 posted on 12/04/2004 6:57:17 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: bluefish

It's simple. Drink Guinness before posting! ;-) *LOL*


19 posted on 12/04/2004 7:00:35 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
plenty of drugs cause mental and physical disorders

And plenty of drugs are administered to those with mental and physical disorders.. resulting in a future conclusion by others that the drug itself caused the disorder.

20 posted on 12/04/2004 7:02:55 PM PST by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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