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Lutheran congregation stripped of status (gay pastor)
The Washington Times ^ | UPI

Posted on 12/04/2004 4:25:00 PM PST by Tarpaulin

San Bernardino, CA, Dec. 4 (UPI) -- The Pacifica Lutheran Synod has revoked a San Bernardino, Calif, mission's congregational status because its pastor is in a committed lesbian relationship.

The decision to remove the Central City Lutheran Mission, an urban ministry that serves poor and homeless people, of its official recognition is the harshest punishment of a Lutheran congregation with a gay pastor in more than a decade.

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"This is the first time in 14 years that any congregation or any pastor has been dealt with this harshly. We thought those days were over," said Pastor David Kalke, who leads the San Bernardino mission. "It appears conservatism has raised its ugly head here in Southern California, much to our surprise."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abomination; antinomian; disorder; disordered; elca; gaydar; gaygaygay; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; impastor; lutheran; morallyrelative; notlcmswelselsetc; notreallylutheran; pastor; pastorette; repent; sin
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1 posted on 12/04/2004 4:25:01 PM PST by Tarpaulin
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To: Tarpaulin

striped or stripped?


2 posted on 12/04/2004 4:25:30 PM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: Tarpaulin

It's a start.


3 posted on 12/04/2004 4:27:44 PM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errors may have been intentionally included)
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To: Tarpaulin

I would like to know what led Mr. Kalke into this lesbian relationship??


4 posted on 12/04/2004 4:28:43 PM PST by T'wit (Everything I need to know in life I learned from a carpenter.)
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To: Tarpaulin
"It appears conservatism has raised its ugly head ..."

What can I say???

5 posted on 12/04/2004 4:29:00 PM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errors may have been intentionally included)
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To: T'wit
If that means what I think it means...then I'm a lesbian :)

Yeah, I'm a guy...

6 posted on 12/04/2004 4:30:14 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'm dreaming of a Green Springtime...)
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To: Tarpaulin

I cannot believe how many non-repentent homosexuals are serving as pastor and ministers in churches. Amazing.


7 posted on 12/04/2004 4:30:40 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: xrp

That's really how the article is posted from UPI: "Lutheran congregation striped of status", see the link.

I'm certain that medical marijuana has nothing to do with it.


8 posted on 12/04/2004 4:32:08 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: Tarpaulin

Conservatism - ? Wrong place to put the blame - -

Instead - Perhaps a message was sent - Along the lines that the church stands for what it does - anyone who doesn't agree - doesn't belong -

Sort of like - Freedom of choice - The church doesn't want people who don't follow the teachings of the church -


9 posted on 12/04/2004 4:34:46 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: Tarpaulin
. . . committed lesbian relationship.

I wonder if Synod would have accepted 'one night stands?'

WWMLS

10 posted on 12/04/2004 4:35:06 PM PST by leadpenny (What would Martin Luther say?)
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To: DouglasKC
The good book tells us that homosexuality is wrong. Some choose to ignore this part of the bible as if it doesn't exist.
That leaves me with two questions.
Where does the bible say we can pick the parts we don't like and discard them?
What other parts of the bible do these people want to ignore?
11 posted on 12/04/2004 4:36:48 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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"It appears conservatism has raised its ugly head here in Southern California, much to our surprise." No dear, it appears to me that Christianity has raised its ugly head. Praise God!


12 posted on 12/04/2004 4:44:19 PM PST by Mojave Mark (The Democrats... gravitas free since '63)
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To: Tarpaulin

Why have these writers started using the term 'committed lesbian relationship'?

Furthermore, what the hell does that mean?


13 posted on 12/04/2004 4:44:57 PM PST by jra
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To: DouglasKC
..how many non-repentent homosexuals are serving as pastor and ministers in churches. Amazing.

..not so amazing, look what the liberals/ACLU/Gays are doing to the BSA, they'll do anything to get close to the boys/girls and destroy the unique American culture...not so amazing @ all.

14 posted on 12/04/2004 4:45:04 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha
Yes. The ELCA is trying to separate the sin (the act of homosexuality) from homosexual persons this is from the article "The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America allows homosexual clergy if they are celibate and 13 other congregations have installed openly gay and lesbian pastors, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday." The problem is that this pastor decided she did not like the rules.
15 posted on 12/04/2004 4:45:16 PM PST by bubbleb
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To: oldenuff2no
What other parts of the bible do these people want to ignore?

..The Ten Commandments, have become The Ten Suggestions in a Liberal/Wimp world. :((

16 posted on 12/04/2004 4:50:37 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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'committed lesbian relationship'?

"Furthermore, what the hell does that mean?"

It means they have exchanged flannel shirts.


17 posted on 12/04/2004 4:51:03 PM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: oldenuff2no

"The good book tells us that homosexuality is wrong. Some choose to ignore this part of the bible as if it doesn't exist.
That leaves me with two questions.
Where does the bible say we can pick the parts we don't like and discard them?
What other parts of the bible do these people want to ignore?"




Oh, I can think of several. How many adulterous ministers are there out there? I know of at least six, from personal knowledge.

We're very good about picking and choosing what we take from our religious scriptures. Why do Christians say they believe the Old Testament, but violate many of the prohibitions in that part of the Bible?

As far as I can tell, it's all hypocrisy. No matter what your sect or denomination, the fact is that much of scripture is ignored. Even the Jews ignore the Old Testament. When did you last hear of adulterers being stoned?

It's all ridiculous, as far as I'm concerned. That's why I abandoned religion altogether.


18 posted on 12/04/2004 4:51:35 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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"..The Ten Commandments, have become The Ten Suggestions in a Liberal/Wimp world. :(("

Darned right. And forget Leviticus. Shoot, we'd have to stone adulterers if we followed that Old Testament stuff. That won't do at all.

It's all hypocrisy.


19 posted on 12/04/2004 4:52:58 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Sermon at What's Happening Now Lutheran Church - It begins, "You remember Jesus from last week..."


20 posted on 12/04/2004 4:53:07 PM PST by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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