"Jesus never mentioned pedophilia. Maybe he thought it was okay. He didn't mention rape either -- or cannibalism "
You are comparing an act perpetrated by two consenting adults in privacy, to rape and pedophilia? Haha! No one is trying to stop you from being a self-righteously intolerant (I support your right to show how up-tight you are all day long), and you aren't even doing it in private! So why do you think you have any right to dictate how gays live their lives?
If you want to have sex missionary style with your stuffy wife for the rest of your life, more power to you! Notice how no one is trying to stop you? Deal with the fact that there are other people who want more.
"Jesus never mentioned pedophilia."
Pedophilia is wrong, but there is no religious logic behind stopping it. Humanistic social values are universal, and have nothing to do with religious values, though some overlap. Allowing gays the same rights as everybody else is a humanistic social value. This appears to be one of those values that conflicts with religious ones. Just like always, free secular society trumps your third-world religious values. I suggest converting to islam and moving to iran, then you might actually get to watch gays being torured, wouldn't that be cool?
God of love and understanding my butt, if posts like yours are any indication.
Interesting perspective. Welcome to FR!
I agree with you that what consenting adults do privately is not my concern. But when you made the previous statement, you lost me. You said "deal with the fact that their are other people who want more". Your implication is that heterosexual sex between married people is lacking something in comparison to gay sex. You are doing the very same thing that you have accused others of doing.
On the one hand you speak of what two adults do in privacy, and on the other hand you speak of the obligation of others to condone their sexual behavior and reward it. These are two entirely different things. Which is it? A privacy issue or a public approval issue?
Why is pedophilia wrong? Is adult-child sex wrong if the child consents? What do you base your values on?
The government can no more force humanism on all than it can force Judaism on all. We the people get to define our public institutions like marriage. We've done that. The wisdom we draw our values from is irrelevant. Most of us think pedophilia is wrong, and just why we think that is our own business.
You have a constitutional right to speak and make your case, regardless of how crazy it is. You do not have a constitutional right to have your ideas accepted and approved by all.
No one is interested in understanding your butt.
Your posts reveal you to be a tortured soul. You are obviously desperately grasping for the truths that will give you peace, joy, love, fulfillment, and lasting happiness, while at the same time working very hard to reject the God that can give them all to you.
Your sins do not put you beyond the reach of God's love. We are all sinners. I do not look down on anyone for their sins. Rather, I think, "There, but for the grace of God, go I".
You claim to be tolerant and open minded, will you not open your mind for the moment and view this presentation?
http://www.livingwaters.com/listenwatch.shtml
What do you have to lose. You are obviously not happy now. Could it be any worse? Do you intend to live the rest of your life like this. Do you think acceptance by the world is your key to happiness. Forget what the world tells you. Take the time now to explore your one-on-one relationship with God.
It will take courage to venture into the unknown. Do you have enough of it? The rewards are great. Give it a chance at least. As I said, what do you have to lose?
Haha! Nowhere does God say sin is OK in His eyes as long as it is engaged in by consenting adults.
Very weak argument.
Problem here my friend. You state pedophilia is wrong. On what basis? You see "humanistic social values" are not universal. They are fluid, they change. Fifty years ago, no one accepted homosexuals as the norm.
"Humanistic social value" is just another way of saying,"I want what I want no matter how perverse it is, so just accept it."
If you want to leave religious morals totally out of it, let's just ask Mother Nature, shall we?
How do you feel about cannibalism?
You are comparing an act perpetrated by two consenting adults in privacy, to rape and pedophilia? Haha!
Actually, he was refuting a logical fallacy from earlier posts, if you try reading the entire thread a bit more carefully.
Try re-reading his quotes, and then your replies. Pay attention to the exact words actually used, rather than your reactions.
Do you know his wife is stuffy, or that they only do it in the missionary position?
Such talk is by definition stereotypical and bigoted, just the kind of thing you claim to reject.
Or for another example, I heard once that one of the porno magazines featured a fake advertisement for whiskey featuring Jerry Falwell, detailing how his first sexual experience was a drunken encounter with his mother in an outhouse. If a similar libel--even if satiric in intent--had been directed at a prominent homosexual, they ACLU and the like would've been all over it faster than you can cry "Gay bashing!" But as it was, all the usual defenders did was smirk at each other.
It may come to you in a moment of clarity that your talk of "gay-bashing" is actually psychological projection.
Allowing gays the same rights as everybody else is a humanistic social value.
Some of Jesus self-righteous political enemies from the ranks of the orthodox Jewish community confronted him with a women caught in flagrante delicto with someone other than her husband. They said, "Moses commanded us to stone such..." and asked what His opinion was.
He replied to them "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" and they quietly filed away, starting with the oldest.
But the episode doesn't end there.
He then turned to the woman and said,"What happened? Has no -one condemned you?"
She replied, -- No.
Jesus answered, "Neither then do I condemn you."
But it doesn't end there, either. He then said, "Go and sin no more."
See? Something for everyone. To the prigs, stop being so self-righteous; but to the sinners, I forgive you--but you still gotta give it up!
There is another episode related in the Gospels, where Jesus, berating the religious authorities, said, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John [John the Baptist] came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."