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Republicans warn of party split over immigration
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 12/03/04 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/03/2004 10:10:21 AM PST by gubamyster

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To: jveritas

Oh boy, now it is time for them to resort to name calling and personal attacks. Makes me feel like I'm on DU.


241 posted on 12/03/2004 8:15:00 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Nachum
Raise my hand and say -
"I second '242' that!
242 posted on 12/03/2004 8:22:52 PM PST by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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To: gubamyster
If Bush shoves this down our throat (a moderate immigration policy or worse)..
He will get puke all over him...
243 posted on 12/03/2004 8:23:12 PM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: jveritas
Fair enough. But I hope you realize that a large segment of Bush voters disagree with both his immigration policy AND his fiscal .......liberalism (or as the President would probably say, "compassion").

The major philisophical difference that seperates Buchananites from the majority of Bush voters is not immigration OR fiscal policy, but foreign policy. (Buchananites are almost exclusively in the isolationist camp). That's where they distingush themselves. ....especially with their rabid (and irrational) anti-Israel stance.

244 posted on 12/03/2004 8:25:12 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: blakep

Republicans need to handle immigration and the illegal alien problem better.

The vast majority of America wants illegal aliens handled and our borders more secure.

That is I believe the feelings of over 70% of America and watch Hillary grab the issue if Republicans and Bush won't.


245 posted on 12/03/2004 8:36:23 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MegaSilver
Contrast this with NAFTA. When Mexico's (a huge country comprising about 20-25% of the population of NAFTA) peso collapsed in the mid-1990's, Bill Clinton had to shovel billions of dollars in aid down there to keep their economy from completely imploding, because by then our economies were so integrated that our position depended on theirs. And if it was bad in the 1990's, it's worse now, and it'll be worse still if we break down barriers to Brazil, Argentina, etc.

Yes, NAFTA + FTAA is going to be the mother of all money pits for America if ever enacted. This, at a time when SS/Medicare/Medicaid are going bankrupt and our current budget deficit, which does not include these programs, is in the red to the tune of $450 billion on top of a $7 trillion (and rising) national debt. It's pure insanity.

246 posted on 12/03/2004 8:40:21 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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To: winker

The situation here in Cochise County, Arizona is approaching critical mass. At the moment, about 25% of the illegal fence jumpers are coming through this one small county and people are getting seriously pissed off.

A lot of the illegals coming through now have a serious attitude problem -- a mixture of arrogance and aggressiveness. They will show up on your doorstep demanding food, water, use of your telephone, and rides. Some day soon, somebody's sweet little grey-haired granny is gonna put a .44 magnum hole through some strutting pendejo's chest. (Half of those in my last concealed weapon permit renewal class were little old ladies, and none of them were packing ladies' guns; they all qualified with no problem.)

The same attitude problem is apparent when the illegals meet up with the Border Patrol. I spent election night watching the bush apes snag a big group right next to my house. One idiot popped badass with one of the female agents and I think he now has two new tonsils.

(Semi-related issue: How does the Border Patrol get so many more hotties in their ranks compared to other government agencies?)


247 posted on 12/03/2004 8:45:14 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Ron H.
This is getting a little deep now, and I don't have my galoshes on. Plus I'm quite tired and going to bed now.

Tomorrow I'll check it out again.

248 posted on 12/03/2004 9:00:22 PM PST by mickie
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To: Nachum
There is no right answer to this problem. Talking about it and finding solutions is a start and takes great courage and leadership to accomplish. This is not a simple solution.

Pray for W and Our Troops

249 posted on 12/03/2004 9:03:32 PM PST by bray (Nam Vets Rock!!)
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To: WRhine
Yes, NAFTA + FTAA is going to be the mother of all money pits for America if ever enacted. This, at a time when SS/Medicare/Medicaid are going bankrupt and our current budget deficit, which does not include these programs, is in the red to the tune of $450 billion on top of a $7 trillion (and rising) national debt. It's pure insanity.

Insanity? No. Just politicians who know what side their bread is buttered on. Both political parties are in bed with big business--and one of them also has AFL-CIO on its side, which is just starving for more union workers (proving that neither organization ever really cared about labor).

James George Jatras once wrote, "It is hardly a surprise that businessmen who would sell their grandmothers to Abu Abulbul Amir for oil drilling rights see the world as a reflection of the bottom line." That's a worldview that sounds scarily close to Marxism--and yetour government officials promote it in the guise of "free enterprise." Of course, in the end, even they won't be able to buy their way out of the trouble. Just imagine the shock on their faces ten years from now when their vast corporate empires collapse in the midst of a civil war and they learn the hard lesson that multiculturalism doesn't work.

250 posted on 12/03/2004 9:04:48 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The situation here in Cochise County, Arizona is approaching critical mass. At the moment, about 25% of the illegal fence jumpers are coming through this one small county and people are getting seriously pissed off.

A lot of the illegals coming through now have a serious attitude problem -- a mixture of arrogance and aggressiveness. They will show up on your doorstep demanding food, water, use of your telephone, and rides. Some day soon, somebody's sweet little grey-haired granny is gonna put a .44 magnum hole through some strutting pendejo's chest.

You know, I can see lynchings making a comeback very soon if something is not done immediately.

251 posted on 12/03/2004 9:07:24 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: gubamyster
It makes no sense patting down old ladies at the airport and making people take off their shoes when our borders are wide open.

Illegal aliens are just that... "illegal" they should not ever be rewarded in any way for their crime. They should be rounded up and deported.

Im sick to death of hearing their sob stories.

252 posted on 12/03/2004 9:08:22 PM PST by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

So how do we get the Presidents attention????

How do we get him to see that he is heading in the wrong direction....?

Does anyone have an "in" with the President?

Can someone get through to Him???


253 posted on 12/03/2004 9:10:59 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Halgr
So how do we get the Presidents attention??

We don't.

Just pretend like nothing's going on. Tend to your family, your parish church, and your house. Buy an assault rifle and several boxes of ammunition. When it comes time to fight, give it all you've got.

254 posted on 12/03/2004 9:15:08 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: ApesForEvolution
If we amnesty *with* effective Border/Port Security, we can *begin* to have Homeland Security.

That will never happen. If OUR government does not have the will or inclination to do the right thing now...i.e. effective border control, rigorous enforcement of our immigration laws, it won't have the will or inclination to do so after an amnesty. As others have mentioned, our government made similar promises to sell the 1986 amnesty to a skeptical public and looked what happened. Sorry, our so-called leaders have no credibility on this score whatsoever.

And when the government tells us that it will start getting tough on illegal immigration after an amnesty program is enacted that is tantamount to extortion. The message is: “If you don’t give us what we want, we are going to continue to leave America open to this invasion and do nothing about it”. Would you trust such a government and their promises? What we really have in this country is an out of control tyrannical government.

They should have been applying the law and constitution as pertaining to "invasions" for decades now. That our government won't protect America from an Invasion tells you everything you need to know about its leaders. And no, they don't keep their promises. If Bush gets his way there will be a lot of back slapping laughter in the WH and halls of Congress on how they suckered the people again. No More.

255 posted on 12/03/2004 9:25:46 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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To: Modernman
"(2) The religious right's social agenda

Oh really? It's all the damn religionists fault, eh? No blame for the "moderates" and the pro-aborts?

256 posted on 12/03/2004 9:31:19 PM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: janetgreen
I can't believe you voted w/o knowing this was part of the deal.

W. needs to be brought to heel right quick.

257 posted on 12/03/2004 9:34:18 PM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: gubamyster

If Bush legitimatizes 15-20 millions of illegal Third World aliens, he may as well will be the last Republican president.

We're slipping and sliding into Third Worldism, folks. Prepare for the worst.


258 posted on 12/03/2004 9:38:52 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic changes has consequences.)
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To: Willie Green

Yep.


259 posted on 12/03/2004 9:40:31 PM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: snopercod
America is a country almost entirely populated with immigrants who yearned for the freedom that they did not have where they previously lived.

By that standard why not open our borders to the world? Let everyone come in. Why be so partial to the Mexicans? There are billions of people around the globe that yearn for freedom. Does being nation of immigrants mean that America should not control immigration even if most Americans want such controls?

260 posted on 12/03/2004 9:45:57 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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