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Dutch Doctors Want Guidelines on Euthanasia After Hospital Kills Newborns
LifeNews.com ^ | December 2, 2004 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/03/2004 12:40:37 AM PST by nickcarraway

Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Dutch doctors are asking the Netherlands government for guidelines on so-called "mercy killings" after revelations surfaced this week that a hospital in the European nation has been killing several newborns a year it determines are not healthy enough to live.

The Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) has asked the Netherlands Ministry of Health to put together a panel to evaluate when euthanasia can be used on people "with no free will," CNN reports.

That would include both adults and children who are unable to make their own health care decisions because of severe disabilities.

The current legal standards in place only address patients who can decide whether they want to live or die.

Those standards indicate the patient must freely choose to die and make such a request on several occasions. The patient must be in severe pain and the patient's doctor must get a second opinion from another physician agreeing to the request.

Dr. Eduard Verhagen, of the hospital's pediatric clinic, told NPR that the babies who had been euthanized were born with incurable conditions so serious "(we) felt that the most humane course would be to allow the child to die and even actively assist them with their death."

"They are very rare cases of extreme suffering. In these cases, the diagnosis was extreme spina bifada," Verhagen added.

However, spina bifada can be diagnosed during pregnancy and some unborn children have had surgery to correct the damage the condition causes.

According to an Associated Press report this week, Groningen Academic Hospital has created guidelines for doctors there to euthanize newborns who are suffering from pain associated with incurable diseases or extreme physical deformities.

Known as the Groningen Protocol, and announced last month, it allows euthanasia when a baby's medical team and independent doctors agree there is no prospect for improving pain.

The child's parents also must agree to the request to end the child's life.

According to the AP report, the hospital carried out such euthanasia requests in the last few years and reported them to the Dutch government, which has taken no action against it.

Pro-life groups were shocked and saddened by the news.

"A society or culture that does not respect the innate dignity of every human life inevitably places value judgments on the worth of an individual's life," responded Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council. "To decide that it is better to kill a person, regardless of how sick or helpless, than to care for that person is unconscionable."

"Unless this policy is rejected by the international community, the culture of death will have taken one more step into the modern world," Perkins added.

Holland was the first country to legalize the practice of euthanasia -- allowing doctors to end the life of a patient, with their consent, who is suffering from a terminal illness or incurable condition.

Approved in 2002, Dutch law allows adult patients suffering from incurable diseases to request assisted suicide. Teenagers under the age of 16 must have their parents approval, but the newly proposed measure would drop that to 12 years of age and would allow children to be euthanized.

The proposal to allow children to be euthanized has prompted Belgium to consider a similar law.

Belgian lawmakers are putting forward a measure that would expand the country's legal euthanasia law to allow doctors to end the lives of children without parental permission.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; deathculture; euthanasia; nazism; netherlands; newborns
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To: FBD
Yes. They were. So was Adolph Hitler and his merry band of Nazi doktors.

The Nazi plan was to eliminate all "inferior"/defective children, not to spare a miserable, doomed portion of those defective children from unnecessary suffering. It was for the good of the state, not for the good of the children.

21 posted on 12/03/2004 2:00:22 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
But what about the mentally retarded who suffer painful afflictions? I couldn't stand to watch one of them suffer from a painful ailment. They don't have the same choices the rest of us do. Someone has to watch out for them. If that means that a doctor will try to convince their parents to euthanize them, I wouldn't complain.

You are saying their existence makes YOU miserable - which means that their lives are worth less to you than your own. You are not asking them if their lives are miserable - and if I told you that even mentally retarded children who have painful conditions lead loving, frankly joyful lives in the face of pain, you wouldn't believe me. You have made up your mind that they are miserable because YOU are miserable when you see them.

If they themselves could tell you, with the only language that they knew, that they were happy, would you grant them life? If they waved their hands and gurgled happily, would you grant them a reprieve? Or would you call it "reflexes" and kill them just because they made you miserable to look upon them?

They talk to us everyday - the joyful, the happy, the innocent among us. But we do not listen, because they make us uncomfortable with their idiocy, with their impairments, with their flaws. If they can be so happy when their lives make us so unhappy, then what are we to say about our own miseries, our own failures to find joy?

Because we are miserable looking upon them, they must die?

22 posted on 12/03/2004 2:14:35 AM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: xm177e2

Making quality of life judgements for someone else is fraught with potential for error, whether it's done for the patient's "own good" or the good of the state.

When the "error" involves killing someone, then that's a judgement that shouldn't be made. Your mileage may vary.


23 posted on 12/03/2004 2:15:38 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: xm177e2; ApesForEvolution
"But what about the mentally retarded who suffer painful afflictions? I couldn't stand to watch one of them suffer from a painful ailment. They don't have the same choices the rest of us do. Someone has to watch out for them. If that means that a doctor will try to convince their parents to euthanize them, I wouldn't complain."

WOW. Are you for real?
Do a Google search: Type in "Baby Knauer"

BTW, The Nazi Death doctors would agree with you 100%.

24 posted on 12/03/2004 2:27:55 AM PST by FBD ("There is no such thing as a good tax." -- Winston Churchill)
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To: nickcarraway

Why do all disagreements both right and left immediately get into charges of nazism? Why not just stick to the facts of the current discussion.


25 posted on 12/03/2004 3:33:21 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: nickcarraway
Dutch Doctors Want Guidelines on Euthanasia After Nursing Homes Kill Elderly.....

/sarcasm

26 posted on 12/03/2004 3:40:26 AM PST by maestro
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To: nickcarraway
So, here's the scenario:

Mickey wants to get rid of his wife, Minnie, so that he can marry his girlfriend and collect his wife's insurance policy.

Mickey attempts to suffocate his wife, but before he completes the task, he remembers that an autopsy will show that her air was cut off, so he pulls the pillow off her face.

For poor Minnie,though, it is already too late. Minnie suffers irreparable brain damage.

Fortunately for Mickey, he's her next of kin, so he tells the doctors, "No extreme measures!" Then, after a decent interval, so that no autopsy evidence is retained, he starts planning the best way to finish her off.

Since he lives in Holland, it's easy; He just tells the doctor to "Terminate her".

Mickey collects on her insurance policy and lives happily ever after.What do you mean, "conflict of interest"? Don't you trust Mickey? He's just trying to be humane...

27 posted on 12/03/2004 3:48:39 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: nickcarraway
This just sets the table for human cloning. First clone horribly deformed? Mercy kill. Second clone missing an arm? Mercy kill. Third clone attempt low IQ? 'No doctor, I dont want this baby, just think of the mental anguish he will go through in life being dim.'

Reminds me of Alien 4 where Ripley stumbles into the room full of failed attempts at cloning her.

28 posted on 12/03/2004 3:53:40 AM PST by Robespierre (Come into the light, all are welcome, all are welcome.)
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To: xm177e2
Who made you God, to decide whose life is worth living?
Nietzsche. There is no God, morality is for us to figure out on our own.

Ivan Karamazov was right. But I suspect it won't be long before you, or those like you, become included in someone else's calculation of morality.

29 posted on 12/03/2004 4:15:36 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: nickcarraway

The difference between being murdered inside the womb versus outside the womb is ... ?


30 posted on 12/03/2004 4:25:13 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: xm177e2
I am doing some informal research on this subject and would like to know something about you so that I can better understand your views. While I don't wish to invade your privacy, I would very much like to know your basic vital statistics.

Such as, your age, sex, occupation, marital status, religion. Are you a parent? Do you know any severely handicapped persons, those whose prospects are so dim and their suffering such that you would think that death must be better than living as they have to live? Do you have any connection with the medical profession? To what extent are your views influenced by the medical costs of the care which these seriously ill people need?

I am sorry to be so nosy, and if you don't wish to divulge some or all of this information, I understand. It's just that I am trying for reasons of my own to understand how people make decisions on the morality of actions such as the killing/allowing to die of persons deemed to be severely critically ill and/or suffering.

Thank you in advance for your response.
31 posted on 12/03/2004 4:32:03 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: xm177e2
There are worse conditions than being a wheelchair

In other words, you're determining the threshold for euthanasia upon what you think would be too miserable to bear.

Tell me this. Do you support doctor-assisted euthanasia for everyone who requests it, healthy or ill?
32 posted on 12/03/2004 4:32:30 AM PST by Nataku X (For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?)
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To: xm177e2
Recognizing their humanity requires us to recognize their dignity, which is to say their right to die.

Really? Human Dignity is the right NOT to be deprived of life. Pets & animals don't have this - we put them down all the time.

33 posted on 12/03/2004 4:34:27 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: tkathy
Why do all disagreements both right and left immediately get into charges of nazism?


34 posted on 12/03/2004 5:56:44 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: xm177e2; nickcarraway
No, they should die so they don't have to suffer needlessly. Children should not be confused with pets or homework assignments from God. Recognizing their humanity requires us to recognize their dignity, which is to say their right to die. And as rational adults, we should be the ones making these decisions.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

35 posted on 12/03/2004 5:57:46 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: xm177e2
I couldn't stand to watch one of them suffer from a painful ailment.

There is no excuse, with today's technology, to not provide adequate treatment for pain and/or depression.

36 posted on 12/03/2004 6:01:03 AM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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To: xm177e2

Uh...ever see "Triumph of the Will" :\


37 posted on 12/03/2004 6:03:20 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: xm177e2

So what exactly do you think a government-run health care system is going to start doing when it sees how much money is saved by killing sick kids and old people?


38 posted on 12/03/2004 6:06:03 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: xm177e2
Nietzsche. There is no God, morality is for us to figure out on our own.

"God is Dead" - Nietsche
"Nietsche is Dead" - God

39 posted on 12/03/2004 6:11:10 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: nickcarraway

Sheesh! The guidelines they seek should be imbedded in their consciences. God, not a government, issues one a soul.


40 posted on 12/03/2004 6:11:14 AM PST by Dionysius
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