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Two lawmakers want to split state's electoral votes by House district
AP ^ | 12/1/4

Posted on 12/01/2004 6:14:40 PM PST by SmithL

SACRAMENTO -- Two Republican lawmakers plan to introduce a bill Monday that would award California's most-in-the-nation electoral votes by congressional districts, a step they say would make it "the leading battleground state for all future elections."

Democrat John Kerry won California's 55 electoral votes on Nov. 2 by taking more than 54 percent of the popular vote.

But if the legislation by Assemblymen John Benoit, R-Palm Desert, and Tom Harman, R-Huntington Beach, had been in effect Kerry and President Bush would have split the state's electoral votes because of Bush's strong showing in the state's inland areas and a few coastal counties.

Under the Benoit-Harman bill, a presidential candidate would get one electoral vote for each of the state's 53 congressional districts in which he or she had the most votes.

Two electoral votes would be awarded to the candidate who got the most popular votes statewide.

Two other states, Maine and Nebraska, use the same type of system. But Colorado voters this year rejected a plan that would have divided that state's electoral votes based on each presidential candidate's share of the popular vote.

Harman and Benoit said their bill would make presidential elections more democratic, increase turnout and discourage candidates from ignoring California. This year there was little campaigning in the state by either Bush or Kerry because Kerry's big lead in the polls.

"It's a slap in the face of California voters that our 55 electoral votes, the largest block in the country, are given to one candidate without anything more than a token campaign being launched in our state," said Benoit. "This bill will bring California back onto the national playing field."

But their bill could face tough going. Both houses of the Legislature, which begins its 2005 session on Monday, are dominated by Democrats,

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
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Make every vote count!
1 posted on 12/01/2004 6:14:40 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

What a grand idea.


2 posted on 12/01/2004 6:18:46 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: SmithL

All the Democrats who were for this in Colorado will now line up against it in California. It's called hypocrisy.


3 posted on 12/01/2004 6:18:49 PM PST by RobFromGa (End the Filibuster for Judicial appointments in January 05)
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To: SmithL

I'm not sure if this is a good idea. It would lead to tinkering with the process in every state, according to which party would benefit and which party happened to be in control, and probably it would also lead to interference in the process by judges, who have already imposed all sorts of redistricting decisions on the state legislatures.


4 posted on 12/01/2004 6:19:36 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: SmithL

LET EVERY VOTE COUNT!


5 posted on 12/01/2004 6:20:12 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: SmithL

I am waiting for Republicans to do the same in Illinois, Michigan, Pennsyvannia, New York, and New Jersey.

Bush would have won Michigan had it not been for Wayne County, Illinois if not for Cooke Co.


6 posted on 12/01/2004 6:21:15 PM PST by Perdogg (W stands for Winner)
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To: SmithL

I am sure that the California guy that paid for the Colorado initiative that failed will help with the same in California.


7 posted on 12/01/2004 6:21:39 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Cicero

Have you looked at a county by county map recently?
Imagine if you 'democratized' Maryland and Pennsylvania? I won't even get into New York or New Jersey.

Where would the demos counter? Florida? Please. Texas?

This would kill the DNC.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 6:22:17 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (01000101011000010111010000100000 0110000101110100001000000100101001101111011001010010011101110011)
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To: SmithL
This idea has been around since Roosevelt. For the most part it puts a Republican in the White House every single time.

Odds are it will never be adopted.

9 posted on 12/01/2004 6:23:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cicero
Read Article II of the US Constitution : The State shall determine how electors are chosen. Frankly, the legislator, if wanted too, could deny the public the right to vote in a Presidential election.
10 posted on 12/01/2004 6:24:00 PM PST by Perdogg (W stands for Winner)
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To: SmithL

Sure, if we could have all those CA red districts, I'd give 'em the 1 blue of 8 here in IN.


11 posted on 12/01/2004 6:24:06 PM PST by digger48
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We ought to do this across the country.


12 posted on 12/01/2004 6:27:13 PM PST by rpage3
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To: digger48; SmithL; All

Had a system given the elector per district, plus 2 to the winner of the state, Bush would have won 6 out of 10 Minnesota's Electoral vote.


13 posted on 12/01/2004 6:27:32 PM PST by Perdogg (W stands for Winner)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Can anyone figure what the electoral votes would be for each candidate if all states divided their electoral votes this way?

Fannie
14 posted on 12/01/2004 6:29:25 PM PST by frannie (I REPEAT --THE TRUTH WILL SET US ALL FREE--)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool

Actually just doing this in CA would make winning the presidency a near impossibility for the Dems.

CA is worth a sure 55 for the Dems now. Diving this by pop (not what is proposed I know but I'm too lazy to find the exact results), would have given Kerry 30 and Bush 25.


15 posted on 12/01/2004 6:30:16 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally – a jihad liberals oppose!)
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To: Perdogg

Illinois would be Iowa if not for Cook County. :)


16 posted on 12/01/2004 6:30:55 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: SmithL

"Two Republican lawmakers plan to introduce a bill Monday that would award California's most-in-the-nation electoral votes by congressional districts, a step they say would make it "the leading battleground state for all future elections." "



I thought a battleground state was one in which both candidates would be, um, battling in. If California allocated its electoral votes by congressional district, it would be eminently clear right off the bat that the Democrat candidate would almost certainly win 35 electoral votes (he'd win in 33 districts plus get the 2 CDs for winning statewide) and the GOP candidate would get 20 electoral votes. If the Democrats had a really, really good night and worked hard to get out the vote, maybe they would win 40 electoral votes instead of 35, and it would be likelier for the GOP to actually carry the state than to win as many as 25 congressional districts. Thanks to the incumbents' protection redistricting plan approved by the CA legislature, only a handful of congressional districts in California are more competitive at the presidential level than the state as a whole. Switiching from winner-takes-all to a system similar to that found in Maine would be the stupidest thing that the State of California ever did, since instead of being a 55-electoral vote behemoth that the Democrats must keep happy while the Republicans try to woo, it would become no more important than Connecticut or Kansas in presidential elections.

But I hope those dumb Democrats adopt such a law. : )


17 posted on 12/01/2004 6:32:13 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: frannie

I don't know about this year, but in 2000, it would have given Bush a 20 point or so bump in the EV total. There are many 90% Democrat districts in the cities, but almost no 90% Republican districts to compensate. Our votes are spread out among more districts.


18 posted on 12/01/2004 6:32:17 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Cicero
I'm positive it's not a good idea. The older I get and the more I see, the more respect I have for the folks who put together the Constitution of the United Stated and our form of government. Checks and balances are a good thing, and that applies to the electoral college.

The Divine Hand of Providence helped the Founders, and we should leave it alone as much as possible, for as long as possible.

19 posted on 12/01/2004 6:34:11 PM PST by Bernard (Caution Ahead - Road being Paved with Good Intentions)
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To: Perdogg

"Had a system given the elector per district, plus 2 to the winner of the state, Bush would have won 6 out of 10 Minnesota's Electoral vote."



Actually, 5 of 10. Kerry carried the Minneapolis, St. Paul, and Duluth districts, while Bush carried the other 5.


20 posted on 12/01/2004 6:34:11 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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