1 posted on
12/01/2004 6:58:44 AM PST by
NYer
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A CATHOLIC VOTERS GUIDE -
THE FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those which fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances. It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the non-negotiable principles involved in these issues.
1. Abortion
The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.
The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins.
EV John Paul II,
Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)
Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list
2 posted on
12/01/2004 7:01:19 AM PST by
NYer
("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus
3 posted on
12/01/2004 7:02:17 AM PST by
NYer
("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
To: NYer
Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems to have been Kerry's stance on abortion in the last election. And Daschle's too. Life begins at conception, but it's okay to kill it for just about any reason.
4 posted on
12/01/2004 7:02:20 AM PST by
jwalburg
(Those buried included children still clutching toys)
To: NYer
"...dismembering a baby and pulling it out in pieces ... is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is easy to get caught up in that emotion." Good Lord! If we can't get caught up in that emotion, when SHOULD we get caught up?
I can field dress a deer but I don't know if I could watch this film.
To: NYer
Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders? Yes. That seems to be the opinion of some people I know.
6 posted on
12/01/2004 7:05:45 AM PST by
Modernman
(Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
To: NYer
Any way we could get that documentary shown over here in the U.S.? Who would have the guts to broadcast it? Who in their right mind could endorse abortion after seeing such an atrocity?
To: NYer
After reading this I think we're living on the threshold of the Apocalypse and developing a callousness for murdering unseen victims is a warm up exercise for what lies in the near future.
10 posted on
12/01/2004 7:12:13 AM PST by
PeteePie
To: NYer
I can handle images of war, but watching an abortion procedure? I'd throw up and have nightmares.
12 posted on
12/01/2004 7:19:05 AM PST by
DTogo
(U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
To: NYer
Well, there you have it. The real, unpainted truth of the pro-abortion movement. "Yes, this life growing inside me is a living human being, a child, but I have the right to kill it at will."
Now can we start arresting these wicked, cruel animals and lock them away? Please?
Would anyone defend this attitude from the mother of triplets who have been born? "Oh, three is just too much of a hassle! Why, I'll have to shop at Costco! I think I'll have two of them put down. Whaddaya say, Mr. Obstetrician?" Heaven help us if there are growing numbers of mothers who think this way!
13 posted on
12/01/2004 7:23:13 AM PST by
TChris
(You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
To: NYer
"dismembering a baby and pulling it out in pieces ... is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is easy to get caught up in that emotion."There were probably Germans in 1944 who were saying something along the lines of "shooting, hanging, gassing, and burning millions of Jews, Gypsies, and other untermenschen is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is too easy to get caught up in that emotion."
Either way you're still talking with heartless fascist bastards.
16 posted on
12/01/2004 7:37:45 AM PST by
katana
To: NYer
This article is just more proof of the rising tide of barbarism in the Western democracies. As a kid, I used to watch the Marlon Perkins wildlife shows sponsored by Mutual of Omaha. Those films would show beasts of prey attacking other animals, but would stop short of the actual kill and subsequent meal. Not so with modern wildlife shows. Look at the disgraceful behavior of professional athletes and their fans. Are the likes of Ron Artest or "Stone Cold" Steve Austin any different from common thugs? Forty years ago, had the Feds dared to search women in their private areas in the lobbies of airports, there would have been an insurrection. The "F-bomb" flows like syrup from the lips of intelligent and attractive people. Even here at FR, a conservative forum, we see obscene pictures posted that Hugh Hefner would not have dared to use in, say, 1957.
As horrible as abortion is, it is only a symptom of the moral decadence that pervades American and Western European society. If conservatives fail to "conserve" and act like 1970s-era liberals, we will see euthanasia of both seniors and unwanted children under the age of two, homosexual marriage in all 50 states, and the elimination of the age of consent for sexual activities. Will the "conservatives" of 2025 then be fighting against polygamy, snuff films, human sacrifice, and the illegalization of Biblically based Christian churches and institutions?
God help us!
To: NYer
"What's truly horrifying is Black's apparent indifference to the gruesome reality of what her film presents all too clearly."It's probably not indifference. . .I suspect it's actually barely contained joy.
18 posted on
12/01/2004 7:41:32 AM PST by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: NYer
It mattered not to Richards. She waved off her boyfriend's request that they at least consider having the triplets, and Richards proceeded to have two unborn children aborted. There is, in this statement, an unspoken truth. Namely that women who have abortions dispel the myth of the female as the most nurturing and caring parent of the two sexes.
The facts that only women can have an abortion, coupled with the 40+ million unborn who have been murdered in abortion mills since Roe, plus the lack of mass murder of the unborn before Roe was legalized, can attest to this.
It is a fact that men kill babies, but generally not their own of whom they are mostly protective. It seems then that men, on balance, are actually the most caring of the two sexes.
19 posted on
12/01/2004 7:41:42 AM PST by
Noachian
(A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
To: NYer
23 posted on
12/01/2004 7:50:07 AM PST by
B4Ranch
(((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
To: NYer
While in college, I had a long discourse with an ultra liberal woman who had an abortion earlier in life.
Eventually, I brought her to face the fact that she had murdered her own child, thinking that fact would have an effect.
It didn't. Once she realized what she had done, she immediately decided she had done her child a favor by killing her.
The plain and simple fact is that nearly everyone who promotes abortion is a stone cold murderer.
To: NYer
This article brings out why abortion is ultimately a religious issue. If you are not convinced that human life itself is sacred, and made in the image of God, than the grotesque nature of the procedure be no more significant than, as someone said above, dressing a deer carcus.
This is why the issue has to be the fact that humans are made in God's image and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity--as human life is especially sacred. The argument cannot be simply that abortion kills human life--because ultimately those behind abortion, shrug their shoulders and say, "so what?"
This issue perfectly illustrates what happens when the separation of church and state becomes radical--and religion is relegated to the realm of personal emotions--irrelevant to political issues. Religiously informed opinions are every bit as valid and more, as those from mere secular sources--and deserve, indeed need, a place at the table of political discourse.
28 posted on
12/01/2004 7:55:07 AM PST by
AnalogReigns
("My conscience is captive to the word of God...to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. ")
To: NYer
>>I didn't want to say it, but the word 'murder' came to my lips."<<
Apparently 'slaughter' isn't in her vocabulary/
29 posted on
12/01/2004 7:55:36 AM PST by
B4Ranch
(((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
To: NYer
Well, people used to sit in coliseums and watch people get torn apart by lions and tigers, get burned alive and what have you, all the while in a cheering frenzy...
nothing has changed.
30 posted on
12/01/2004 7:56:14 AM PST by
diamond6
(Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
To: NYer
CORRECTION: ""[A]t the end of the day, the truth is that when you perform an abortion you are killing somethingONE," said Dr. David Molloy of the Australian Medical Association.
31 posted on
12/01/2004 8:00:19 AM PST by
Indie
(Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
To: NYer; Northern Yankee
It mattered not to Richards. She waved off her boyfriend's request that they at least consider having the triplets, and Richards proceeded to have two unborn children aborted. And I suppose it matters not to Richards when her surviving child finds out that her/his two siblings were murdered so that she didn't have to live on Staten Island and shop at Costco?
Gawd, I hope this woman "gets it" before her Judgement Day.
33 posted on
12/01/2004 8:01:56 AM PST by
kstewskis
(Political correctness is intellectual terrorism.......M Gibson)
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