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Murder ... So What? Film Reveals Growing Callousness to Abortion
Agape Press ^ | November 22, 2004 | Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 12/01/2004 6:58:44 AM PST by NYer

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To: ravingnutter; NYer
Although they will show every other surgical procedure as well as all kinds of filth, savagery, and perversion on television in this country, the one thing they refuse to show is an abortion.
21 posted on 12/01/2004 7:44:37 AM PST by murphE (fight terrorism in the womb END ABORTION NOW)
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To: Wallace T.

After reading this I think we're living on the threshold of the Apocalypse and developing a callousness for murdering unseen victims is a warm up exercise for what lies in the near future.

I think your right.


I am horrified just "thinking" in my mind what happens to a baby during an abortion


a film would be far more than I could handle watching.


22 posted on 12/01/2004 7:45:37 AM PST by Cheryllynn
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To: NYer
UN Now Pushes Chile and Malta to Legalize Abortion

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Support the UN

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by sending the whole bunch to Central Africa!

23 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:07 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: TChris
"Would anyone defend this attitude from the mother of triplets who have been born? "Oh, three is just too much of a hassle! Why, I'll have to shop at Costco! I think I'll have two of them put down. Whaddaya say, Mr. Obstetrician?" Heaven help us "

I used to post over on DU. Most of my posts were in the threads on abortion.

It amazed me how many people over there really would defend this attitude.

Sadly, there are more people who think this way than you'd like to believe.

24 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:31 AM PST by chs68
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To: NYer
Michael Moore???

If only you could convince him that it was counter to Bush's beliefs : ) I believe the film could be a boon to the pro-life movement...show the pro-choice crowd exactly what they are advocating.

25 posted on 12/01/2004 7:51:38 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: NYer
While in college, I had a long discourse with an ultra liberal woman who had an abortion earlier in life.

Eventually, I brought her to face the fact that she had murdered her own child, thinking that fact would have an effect.

It didn't. Once she realized what she had done, she immediately decided she had done her child a favor by killing her.

The plain and simple fact is that nearly everyone who promotes abortion is a stone cold murderer.

26 posted on 12/01/2004 7:51:43 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: katana

>>Either way you're still talking with heartless fascist bastards.<<

Give your Mom a big hug for teaching not to say what you really feel in public. I'm sure you could win the war with any drunken sailor if you did say what you are thinking.


27 posted on 12/01/2004 7:53:42 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: NYer

This article brings out why abortion is ultimately a religious issue. If you are not convinced that human life itself is sacred, and made in the image of God, than the grotesque nature of the procedure be no more significant than, as someone said above, dressing a deer carcus.

This is why the issue has to be the fact that humans are made in God's image and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity--as human life is especially sacred. The argument cannot be simply that abortion kills human life--because ultimately those behind abortion, shrug their shoulders and say, "so what?"

This issue perfectly illustrates what happens when the separation of church and state becomes radical--and religion is relegated to the realm of personal emotions--irrelevant to political issues. Religiously informed opinions are every bit as valid and more, as those from mere secular sources--and deserve, indeed need, a place at the table of political discourse.


28 posted on 12/01/2004 7:55:07 AM PST by AnalogReigns ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. ")
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To: NYer

>>I didn't want to say it, but the word 'murder' came to my lips."<<

Apparently 'slaughter' isn't in her vocabulary/


29 posted on 12/01/2004 7:55:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: NYer
Well, people used to sit in coliseums and watch people get torn apart by lions and tigers, get burned alive and what have you, all the while in a cheering frenzy...

nothing has changed.
30 posted on 12/01/2004 7:56:14 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer
CORRECTION: ""[A]t the end of the day, the truth is that when you perform an abortion you are killing somethingONE," said Dr. David Molloy of the Australian Medical Association.
31 posted on 12/01/2004 8:00:19 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Wallace T.
As a kid, I used to watch the Marlon Perkins wildlife shows sponsored by Mutual of Omaha.

Thanks for the memories!

If conservatives fail to "conserve" and act like 1970s-era liberals, we will see euthanasia of both seniors and unwanted children under the age of two, homosexual marriage in all 50 states, and the elimination of the age of consent for sexual activities.

Once abortion was legalized, the slide down the slippery slope began. With 40 million less taxpayers, it is to be expected that "their" peers, left to bear the costs associated with an aging generation that supported abortion, will turn the table and legalize euthanasia.

May God have mercy on us all!

32 posted on 12/01/2004 8:01:39 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer; Northern Yankee
It mattered not to Richards. She waved off her boyfriend's request that they at least consider having the triplets, and Richards proceeded to have two unborn children aborted.

And I suppose it matters not to Richards when her surviving child finds out that her/his two siblings were murdered so that she didn't have to live on Staten Island and shop at Costco?

Gawd, I hope this woman "gets it" before her Judgement Day.

33 posted on 12/01/2004 8:01:56 AM PST by kstewskis (Political correctness is intellectual terrorism.......M Gibson)
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To: AnalogReigns
This article brings out why abortion is ultimately a religious issue.

I am going to have to disagree with you. Abortion is a moral issue, but not a religious issue. Atheists can know that abortion is wrong, as some do, just like they know stealing is wrong.

34 posted on 12/01/2004 8:04:12 AM PST by murphE (fight terrorism in the womb END ABORTION NOW)
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To: NYer

"I'd have to give up my life,...I'd never be able to leave my house."

Where on earth do these people come from? One doesn't give up a life, but gets one even larger. As far as never leaving the house I can't imagine. I moved from the city to a rural ranching community. Took four children under six years thirty miles to buy groceries. (And, yes, we shopped at Wal-Mart) We always made a party of it. When that became difficult, I simply bought a cow. Learned to milk, make butter, cheese, and sell the surplus to neighbors. I bought all the appliances for a new house with the money. Our veternarian always laughed, said he'd never seen a play pen installed in cattle corrals--which always seemed a puzzle. How did pioneers keep thetr kids from getting squashed?

I drove a 1965 Mustang (still have it) to the barns to milk. One morning, I left the kids in the car. when I returned I always drove to the house with the milk bucket balanced on the console, holding the bail and lifting it when I hit a bump in the road to keep from drowning the kids. That morning there appeared a flying missile in the car. It kept flying around the inside of the car and hitting everyone in the head threatening to brain us or drown us in five gallons of milk. When I stopped, I discovered the kids had been playing with a large spool of sewing thread and the end had caught on something on the outside of the car. As I drove along it bounced all over as it unwound. I took the spool, cut the thread and placed it on the dash of the car--I thought. Later, when we went to town, I got four kids from the car in the Safeway grocery store parking lot. they began staggering, stumbling,and falling down on the the asphalt. It was then I discoved they'd unwound the remainder of the thread and it was hopelessly knotted and tangled in all their shoelaces. For a time, they seemed hoplessly connected. This is where I learned to bite thread in two with only my teeth, while crawling around in a greasy parking lot on my hands and knees.

Question? How do all these murderous women who abort their babies fill their days? Or better--how do they ever develope a reputation sufficient to enable them to get the entire grocery store to themselves?


35 posted on 12/01/2004 8:09:27 AM PST by texaslil
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To: TChris

Liberals, especially feminists, are the most absurd people on this planet. They lecture us all about the horrors and inhumanity of capital punishment but wouldn't hesitate to heinously murder an innocent and defenseless unborn child.Would someone please tell me how that makes any sense at all.


36 posted on 12/01/2004 8:15:09 AM PST by MAWG (Arafat, Kerry and now Rather..... I'll drink to that!)
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To: NYer; jwalburg; Gingersnap; Modernman; silverleaf; mel; ravingnutter; PeteePie; DTogo; TChris; ...
they are doing post partum abortions in the netherlands now and the hospital that started it is ptotally pissed that more people arent doing it and owning up to it KILLING BABYS

my post number 17 in this thread has a more detialed account of the first degree premeditated murders going on in the netherlands and soon to be here in america if some people getthier way

37 posted on 12/01/2004 8:16:58 AM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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To: Cheryllynn
I am horrified just "thinking" in my mind what happens to a baby during an abortion

Thinking about what the baby must be going through used to really bother me. I may be in denial, but I now believe that God would never put an innocent life through the pain of an abortion. While it's a sin on the souls of those having abortions, I think that God must step in at some point to spare the baby the pain of the procedure itself. I also take some measure of comfort in the fact that the murdered baby earns a "free ticket to heaven," Original Sin notwithstanding. I'm sure I'll get a few replies contending these beliefs, but it won't change them in my mind.

That said, I continue to fund pro-life groups and attend pro-life rallies; I haven't given up the fight.

38 posted on 12/01/2004 8:17:14 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior
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To: NYer
Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders?

Some, but not all. This film has re-energized the pro-life debate in England. At least that's what I've read.

If these photos and videos were ineffective in swaying people to the pro-life position, organizations like Planned Parenthood wouldn't fight the broadcast of these videos tooth and nail.

I also know from hearing former abortionists and directors of crisis pregnancy centers speak, that abortion-minded women change their minds when they see sonograms of their unborn children, about 85%, to be exact..

If we ever do get to the point where the majority of people in our society see videos like this and remain indifferent to abortion, we can be sure that God's wrath will be right around the corner. He is amazingly patient with us.

39 posted on 12/01/2004 8:18:20 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: DTogo
I can handle images of war, but watching an abortion procedure? I'd throw up and have nightmares.

The Hard Truth had that effect on me. I felt like I'd been hit by a bus, and I felt a tremendous amount of grief.

Nevertheless, it's mandatory viewing for anyone and everyone. There's a holocaust going on in our country just like there was in Nazi Germany in 1943.

If you ever wanted to know what it was like to live in Nazi Germany in 1943, take a look around you.

The Eclipse of Reason is similarly disturbing, but "The Hard Truth" packs a little more punch.

40 posted on 12/01/2004 8:25:38 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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