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The Bush team's secret plan to "reform" Social Security.
Slate ^ | 02/27/2004 | Ron Suskind

Posted on 11/30/2004 7:05:45 AM PST by Phantom Lord

The Free-Lunch Bunch
The Bush team's secret plan to "reform" Social Security

During the 2000 campaign, candidate George W. Bush seemed particularly confident about his ability to pay for Social Security reform. Despite independent estimates that creating the kind of "voluntarily" private accounts he envisioned could cost more than $1 trillion, Bush consistently took the position that he could reform Social Security for free, without undermining promises to baby boomers anticipating retirement over the next several decades.

Why was Bush so sure of himself? According to documents unearthed yesterday from the trove of 19,000 files given to me by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, and a bit of additional probing, candidate Bush and later President Bush believed in the "Lindsey Plan." These documents show us what the president thought about Social Security reform at the only moment over the past three years—the fall of 2001—when he was fully engaged with this issue.

Larry Lindsey, Bush's tutor on economics during the campaign and later chairman of the White House's National Economic Council, devised a scheme based on creative accounting principles. Essentially, it proposed that the government would issue substantial new debt to sustain old-style benefits. This debt would be serviced and paid down by confiscating revenues from the higher returns from those opting for new-style personal accounts.

For the first nine months of the administration, this was called the "free-lunch" plan—a painless way to convert to a blended, private-accounts model. Inside of the Treasury Department and the Council of Economic Advisers, however, officials were befuddled by it. Lindsey seemed to have never called upon analysts inside the Social Security Administration to run the traps on his idea. Treasury and CEA did—and the numbers didn't even come close to working out. But that didn't stop Lindsey, or the president, from believing in and promoting the "free-lunch" plan. These two memos on RonSuskind.com, which have never before been released, show what Bush and others in the White House were actually thinking about Social Security reform.

A bit of context: In October 2001, Bush was about to meet with the chairmen of his Social Security Commission before it began public deliberations. In preparation, the president needed to be briefed by his advisers about various options for reforming Social Security. The Council of Economic Advisers, headed by R. Glenn Hubbard, and the National Economic Council, headed by Lindsey, prepared a 17-page PowerPoint presentation for the president. As is clear from his faxed cover sheet, Hubbard wants to talk to O'Neill about that package before it is sent to Bush. O'Neill, however, receives the proposed 17-page briefing for Bush beneath a cover memo from Kent Smetters, a senior Treasury official and a leading specialist in Social Security reform. Smetters' memo sounds the alarm about Lindsey's free-lunch plan and reminds O'Neill of the central question: Is the president, he writes, "willing to live with benefit cuts (i.e. 'pain')?"

O'Neill and Alan Greenspan favored a more robust shift to private accounts, where the old system would stay intact for most Americans—they came up with a cutoff age of 37—and younger participants would be offered only a new system: private accounts available to invest in index funds, both of bonds and equities. This proposal, which would have acknowledged "transition costs" of approximately $1 trillion, got little traction.

On Dec. 21, the commission released its report illustrating a variety of blended approaches that included some element of private accounts. In the post-9/11 environment, the report vanished with little notice. But should the president take Greenspan's recent suggestion and instigate a debate about Social Security again, we will now have some idea what he means by "reform."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benefits; gimmiegimmiegimmie; oldpeople; privatization; pyramidscheme; seniors; socialsecurity; taxes
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I had commented on several SS threads that part of the Bush plan to cover the "short fall" in a SS privatization transition was to confiscate monies from accounts that are performing better than the projected avg. return. Is it true? Maybe. The purpose of my post here is to defend myself against those who said I was making it up and that I had never read or heard such a thing.
1 posted on 11/30/2004 7:05:45 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
The Bush team's secret plan to "reform" Social Security

If it's SOOO SECRET, how come everyone knows about it? Could it be that it's not secret at all & the "secret" moniker is just a liberal attempt at making it sound sinister?

Naw, can't be

2 posted on 11/30/2004 7:10:59 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Phantom Lord

Dictators have secret plans, the U.S. Prez can't do anything without Congress and many public hearings, calm is recommended.


3 posted on 11/30/2004 7:14:33 AM PST by Mister Baredog ((DO IT NOW, if you haven't put up a flag on your FR homepage yet,PLEASE))
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To: Puppage
I wonder how many people vehemently opposed to privatizing SS have 401K's.

Furthermore, I wonder how may of these people believe the 401K's will provide them with more financial security.

My guess: 100% of them.
4 posted on 11/30/2004 7:15:26 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Phantom Lord
What you do not get is that regardless of how you spin it, I want my money back! I do not think that any government be it lib or conservative will manage my money better than I can. Social security IS welfare and anyone that does not see that is in denial. Social security is NOT a retirement programs, but that is what it has turned into.

Just give me back EVERY penny I paid into it and let me be on my merry way. Let those who want to be part of the system be part of the system. Let those people pay into it. I am not sure if I will be part of the cut off, but I would love the option to opt-in anyway.
5 posted on 11/30/2004 7:15:39 AM PST by jrestrepo
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To: Puppage

Better to spend one trillion now transitioning social security to personal retirement accounts than spend $70 trillion later in order to meet the promises to future retirees over the next 75 years.


6 posted on 11/30/2004 7:16:17 AM PST by Jibaholic
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To: Phantom Lord

I would prefer that the "reform" be just that we take some money away from various pork projects and domestic programs to pay off anyone over the age of, say 45 and eliminate the system entirely. I would be much better off being able to invest the money I currently pay as FICA tax in my 401k plan. It should be no problem to amend tax laws to allow anyone to invest pre-tax dollars similarly, even if their employer doesn't offer a 401k.


7 posted on 11/30/2004 7:18:01 AM PST by stremba
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To: Jibaholic

If it is secret how come this clown knows about it?


8 posted on 11/30/2004 7:18:22 AM PST by Patrick1
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To: Phantom Lord

Paul O'Neil was the biggest turd Bush appt. so far.


9 posted on 11/30/2004 7:18:38 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (You can turn your head away from the Berg video and still hear Al Queda's calls to prayer.)
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To: jrestrepo
Just give me back EVERY penny I paid into it and let me be on my merry way.

Repeated, capitalized for emphasis: JUST GIVE ME BACK EVERY PENNY I PAID INTO IT AND LET ME BE ON MY MERRY WAY!!!!!

10 posted on 11/30/2004 7:19:27 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Bigger than Norm Mineta?


11 posted on 11/30/2004 7:19:39 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Phantom Lord
To be fixed, some hard decisions are going to have to be made, regardless of the outcry

1. Reduce benefits

2. Means test payments

3. Raise retirement age to 70 or later

12 posted on 11/30/2004 7:19:53 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Your forgot Raise Taxes.


13 posted on 11/30/2004 7:20:19 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Phantom Lord
The main problem with this account, other than being years out of date, is the use of the word "confiscate." It is well known that even during the Great Depression in every decade the private world of finance outperformed the Social Security system.

Although these savings accounts are generally tax-free, there are ways in which they do generate tax revenue. When people take their money out early, they pay taxes. And when they take their money at retirement and spend it, taxes are generated.

Bottom line, without changing the tax laws in any way, the private accounts will result in greater federal tax revenues because when the people prosper for any reason, the federal revenues go up. That is not "confiscation," that is "common sense."

Congressman Billybob

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14 posted on 11/30/2004 7:21:00 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Sell off government owned land and operations TVA..


15 posted on 11/30/2004 7:21:43 AM PST by listenhillary (Tagline detective services. Missing or lost tag lines our specialty.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Billybob,

What I believe the plan to be (in over simple terms) is that if the Gov projects an avg return on the accounts to be 4%, the account overperforming this number at say 7% would have the 3% difference "confiscated".

16 posted on 11/30/2004 7:22:35 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
#2 will just result in the typical sordid welfare-state affair of people deliberately reducing their productivity and income just so that they can qualify for benefits. It's better just to phase the system out.
17 posted on 11/30/2004 7:23:23 AM PST by inquest (Now is the time to remove the leftist influence from the GOP. "Unity" can wait.)
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To: Judith Anne

How about giving us a tax credit equal to the total amount we have paid plus a nominal interest amount.

Let us use the tax credits for any tax offset purpose we want. Let us offset income or investment taxes. Or let us sell them to others at what the market will bring.


18 posted on 11/30/2004 7:30:20 AM PST by Pylot
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To: Puppage

"If it's SOOO SECRET, how come everyone knows about it? "

It came out in the morning fax just after his secret plan to give all illegals the right to vote, and the secret plan to reinstate the draft - did you miss that one ?


19 posted on 11/30/2004 7:35:31 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: RS
did you miss that one ?

Apparently, I did. I'll have to be more diligent on these subjects.

20 posted on 11/30/2004 7:41:02 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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