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1 posted on 11/29/2004 10:32:50 PM PST by kattracks
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2 posted on 11/29/2004 10:34:52 PM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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4 posted on 11/29/2004 10:43:47 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Simply put, it is not morally correct to wish or hope that anyone and I mean anyone goes to hell.

The truth of the matter is though; there are individuals who are hell-bent on spending their eternal life in hell. That's their personal decision -- not mine.


5 posted on 11/29/2004 10:43:53 PM PST by Cindy
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If you think that is hard-hearted, consider the alternative, that one of the most corrupt and cruel human beings of the past half-century is resting in peace. Whoever isn't bothered by that is the one with the hard heart.

Actually this is completely possible. Anyone can truly repent and accept the LORD until death. It is because of his grace that anyone of us are saved and all of us are filthy sinners when compared to the spotless, holy LORD.

6 posted on 11/29/2004 10:44:53 PM PST by Bellflower (A NEW DAY IS COMING!)
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Respectfully so, I hope Arafat may one day find some sort of peace, but I fear he may not. I don't hate him, I pity him. Let his fate rest in God's judgement, not mine.


7 posted on 11/29/2004 10:46:00 PM PST by msjhall
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Gods judgement is righteous and good, and those of us who find themselves in hell deserve to be there forever.
Hell is so bad I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy, and will fight to keep them out as long as they still draw breath.


8 posted on 11/29/2004 10:47:06 PM PST by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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I don't care. I wish Mugabe would be wormfood just like Arafatty is now. Cast down into the lowest circle.


9 posted on 11/29/2004 10:47:51 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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I believe in a just God who is willing to send souls to Hell as a punishment for not meeting His requirements for righteousness.

However, I also believe that God is not honored when someone perishes and God may very well grieve over each one. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

Not only are we commanded to not judge, I suspect we shouldn't gloat.


10 posted on 11/29/2004 10:51:08 PM PST by the_Watchman
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Third, if there is a hell, is it acceptable to hope someone who we believe merits it goes there?

What one should hope is that the person receives whatever judgement God deems appropriate. I may harbor a certain suspicion of what God might have in mind, but in the event that God in his wisdom has in mind something else, I would hope that His will, not mine, would be done.

11 posted on 11/29/2004 10:56:08 PM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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I don't hope that anyone is in hell. Even God does not delight in the destruction of the wicked as the Scriptures say, but I do believe that there is a hell. Arafat will be there, not because he is a terrorist, but because he is an unforgiven terrorist.


13 posted on 11/29/2004 11:04:01 PM PST by Nosterrex
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The bible says that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and that Hell was never intended for mankind but for Satan the fallen angels...

Only those who are without sin or those who the Father has given to the Son are saved from
the righteousness of God's final judgment.

And then committed to live eternally in either Heaven or Hell (then afterward the Lake of Fire)
14 posted on 11/29/2004 11:07:57 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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Hell is for anyone who does not accept Jesus as their savior.
Jesus shed his blood to cover our sins.
Jesus said "knock and I will answer".
No where does it say if you are saved and commit another sin,you are unsaved again.

Do I believe Arafat accepted Jesus as his savior? No
Arafat goes to hell.


15 posted on 11/29/2004 11:18:48 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To paraphrase Mel Gibson, I have to love them but I do not have to like them.


19 posted on 11/29/2004 11:21:11 PM PST by microgood
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I subscribe to the theory of milti dimensions, it seems biblical when Peter spoke of being take to the third level of heaven.

Hades has many descriptions from dark caves to burning with shame. Hell is not lasting it is a temporary holding cell for those that find being in the presence of God unbearable or repugnant. When Christ went to hell to set the captives free some chose to stay rather than follow Him. I use to find that amazing that some would choose to stay after knowing the truth. Having become more familiar with the world it's not as shocking as it was upon first reading.

I do know this from sciptures God will dwell here on earth, a changed earth for sure, but this earth, His Holy City floating above the place that today's Jerusalem resides.

When hell is thorwn into the lake of fire I believe that those that chose it will perish with it. Araft engaged in decades of the murder of innocents, will his punishment be etneral awareness of his state? Or will he perish into a perpetual sleep from which there is no awakening? I know God to be both kind and just, I trust He will handle it all the the most perfect way.


21 posted on 11/29/2004 11:36:55 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Is it morally and theologically acceptable to hope anyone goes to hell?

I don't think so. No matter how just it might seem to me, I won't do it.

22 posted on 11/29/2004 11:38:21 PM PST by Petronski (One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble, not much between despair and ecstasy.)
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This is a stupid article.


27 posted on 11/30/2004 12:11:05 AM PST by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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I don't so much hope that he's in hell, as acknowledge that he chose the life he led, that it's very improbable that he ever repented of it, and that it's therefore very probable that he's not in a good place right now. No, I'm not gloating about it, but I bet I know of someone who is...


30 posted on 11/30/2004 12:19:49 AM PST by RichInOC (SHAITAN: HOW ARE YOU YASSER!! ALL YOUR SOUL ARE BELONG TO US. HA HA HA HA....)
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I do believe there is justice in the next world when there is so little of it in this one. A just God rewards the righteous and punishes the evil-doer. There is an after-life and I do not believe the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, Amin, and Arafat get to enjoy eternal rest and peace. Their punishment in whatever hell they are in is deserved.


33 posted on 11/30/2004 12:35:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I hope every pedophile either rots or continuously burns in Hell.


35 posted on 11/30/2004 12:44:52 AM PST by onyx
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Interesting question! I certainly can't claim to have a definitive answer, but I would like to share some thoughts.

First, we all share anger and indignation at the presumption, affrontery and barbaric savagery demonstrated by Yessir Assfat and his ilk, the Hitlers, Stalins, Amins and Islamofascists too many to name. We all, also have a moment of pause when we consider the notion of Hell and the consequence of wishing any human to endure that fate.

Next comes our "but God is Just, and therefore must deal with sin" phase, followed by our "God is loving and merciful" phase, where we find it to difficult to see our loving Heavenly Father allowing his children to suffer.

I believe a hint at what the reality might be is contained in the following. Jesus, our Christ, was perfectly God and perfectly Man - hence his Hebrew name, Y'shua, "God with us". At a moment that was not a moment, but an eternal NOW, He made the supreme sacrifice, a total and satisfactory atonement for all sin, at all points in time. (Einstein once commented that time was only a device given to man by a merciful God so that we would not have to comprehend everything happening all at once.) The perfect being, the Theanthropos, could make nothing less than a perfect sacrifice. "It is finished" He didn't say, "It is finished except for mass murderers, abortionists and child molesters." Nor did he say "It is finished except for the venial sins, which you're going to have to do penance for".

To suggest that Christ's sacrifice was anything less than perfect is to demean His perfect Divine nature. To suggest that WE are able to comprehend the depth of God's love and forgiveness is arrogance.

Paul put it this way, "All of your righteousness is as filthy rags." Billy Graham put it another way, "The closer you get to the light, the dirtier you realize you are."

This is why the Orthodox churches have always taught that all things will work out for good in the end.

Apokatastasis.


36 posted on 11/30/2004 12:51:57 AM PST by shibumi (John Galt is alive and well. He tends bar in a casino restaurant.)
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