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L.I. Clash on Immigrants Is Gaining Political Force [NY]
New York Times ^ | Nov 29, 2004 | PATRICK HEALY

Posted on 11/28/2004 8:36:34 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

Everywhere Steve Levy went last year in his successful campaign for Suffolk County executive, he said, he heard the same complaints. A new wave of Hispanic immigrants had swept Long Island, and many residents were furious about the overcrowded homes and lines of day laborers they saw in their towns. They told Mr. Levy they wanted action.

This month, Mr. Levy floated a proposal to deputize some Suffolk County police officers, giving them the power to detain people found to be in the United States illegally after being taken into custody on other charges. Right now, Suffolk police and corrections officers say, they are prohibited from asking immigrants whether they are in the country legally. Mr. Levy's proposal, which he later amended, was met by objections from the police unions.

Mr. Levy said his intent was to fight crime by focusing the effort on criminals like gang members, not ordinary immigrants. But advocacy groups and residents of Suffolk and Nassau Counties say the proposal is a sign of the times. They say the issue of illegal immigration is rapidly gathering political force in Long Island's patchwork of historically white suburban hamlets, and as the complaints grow, politicians are responding with get-tough rhetoric, crackdowns and new laws.

"Public opinion has changed," said Sue Grant, one of several Farmingville residents who rise each morning to stand on street corners and demonstrate against the day laborers in their community. "More and more people are coming forward and saying, 'I'm sick of this.' They don't want this anymore."

It is the latest knot in Long Island's wrenching struggle to digest the thousands of Hispanic immigrants - many of them day laborers - who have arrived in the past decade and at a record pace in the last three years, drawn by jobs in construction and landscaping and other blue-collar work. One result is a commensurate strain on public services like schools, garbage collection and sewer systems in an area where residents pay some of the highest taxes in the country.

Communities across the nation - from Mesa, Ariz., to Hoover, Ala., to Freehold, N.J. - have faced similar struggles. Day laborers have been shut out and demonstrated against, and have become the targets of political campaigns. There has been tension in many villages and cities and violence in isolated spots. But observers and local politicians said that rarely has the fight seemed so bitter or raged so long as on Long Island, where violence has erupted in recent years and Mr. Levy's proposal is just one of many with support from politicians and residents.

Long Island's stratified hamlets and villages, its history of segregation by race and by economic status, its need for cheap laborers to do work rejected by others and its lack of rental housing have set a unique stage for this fight, experts said.

"People came here in the 50's and 60's and early 70's thinking they were getting away from the problems of the city," said Stefan Krieger, who runs Hofstra University's Housing Rights Clinic. "In the city, with diversity, you celebrate it. Out here, not at all. You see different-color people on the street and for some reason, there's some dissonance."

That dissonance is growing louder, its tone more varied. While some communities like Glen Cove and Freeport have arranged for hiring halls for the day laborers who line street corners, others have roundly rejected the idea.

Farmingdale has stepped up traffic enforcement to discourage contractors from picking up day laborers, and several village officials say they are planning to demolish apartments that they say are chock full of immigrants. They argue that the buildings are rife with code violations and not worth preserving.

The Town of Brookhaven has set up an informal task force to investigate code violations and complaints about homes crowded with day laborers. A town councilwoman, Geraldine Esposito, said she was searching for ways to tighten the town's Neighborhood Preservation Act, further limiting the number of people in a home. "We're trying to solve a problem that's almost unsolvable for the town," she said. "Where are these men going to go? They should go back home to where their home is. There is no pot of gold here unless they can do it legally."

Campaigns for village and town offices have ramped up their rhetoric, promising to do everything possible to get day laborers off the streets.


Local officials say their actions and ideas are necessary, fair and colorblind. They said they are not singling out Hispanic immigrants, but are trying to break up the networks of overcrowded homes, unlicensed contractors and absentee landlords that exploit day laborers.

"It's been ignored, totally ignored," said Mr. Levy, a Democrat who was elected on a platform of fiscal austerity and better management of the county, on the eastern end of Long Island, and its roughly 1.5 million residents. "It's led to workers being exploited, houses being overcrowded and legitimate businesses going under. There's an undercurrent of frustration within the majority of Suffolk residents."

But laborers and advocacy groups say the new policies and aggressive rhetoric are coded attempts to drive Latino immigrants underground or off Long Island. They see parallels between policies denying black families homes in Levittown after World War II and a proposed law in Suffolk County asking federal officials to enforce immigration laws.

"It's like we're going backwards," said Irma Solis, an organizer at the Workplace Project, a Hispanic advocacy group in Farmingville. "It's another wave of attacks against the immigrant community."

Paul Tonna of Huntington, a Republican member of the Suffolk County Legislature, is a veteran of these wars. He defended day laborers, tried unsuccessfully to pass legislation to set up a hiring hall for them and earned many enemies in the process. Now leaving office because of term limits, Mr. Tonna says he has been asking himself, why Long Island?

One reason experts cite is persistent segregation on Long Island, named the country's most segregated suburb in a 2002 study by David Rusk, a consultant who analyzes suburban segregation patterns. In the 1950's and 60's, discriminatory practices by lenders, real estate agents and builders steered minorities and whites to different communities.

Today, there are villages - like Garden City and Hempstead, Copiague and Amityville - that sit next to each other, but have nearly opposite racial compositions.

Still, Mr. Tonna said, "It's not just bigotry. It's an economic issue."

Most of the problems bubbled up in heavily white, blue-collar communities - places where new immigrants, many of them upwardly mobile, could barely get a foothold. In wealthy East Hampton, the quarrels over immigration and code violations are not centered in the wealthy beachfront enclaves but in Springs, a middle-class neighborhood.

Long Island's Hispanic population grew by about 70 percent in a decade, according to the 2000 census. Between 2000 and 2003, it grew even faster, with the number of Hispanic residents of Suffolk jumping by 20 percent. That translates into an average of 10,387 people per year, compared with about 6,500 people per year during the 1990's.

Many newcomers are here illegally or on temporary visas, but there is no definitive data on their numbers.

Immigrants arrived in droves in relatively small communities, making it impossible for residents to ignore their new neighbors. Some 80 percent of Long Islanders own their homes, and there are few rental apartments, so laborers are often crammed into single-family homes.

And thanks to the island's relatively weak labor unions, they can find work by standing on street corners, Mr. Tonna said.

Some towns took the change in stride; others rejected it outright, with angry residents attending town and county legislative meetings to complain that the influx of immigrants has brought noise violations, littering, people drinking and urinating in public and driveways crammed with cars. They videotaped crowds of day laborers and staged demonstrations.

The tension first flared into violence in 2000, when two men posing as contractors kidnapped two Farmingville day laborers and beat them with a crowbar. In July 2003, a group of teenagers set fire to the house of a Mexican family in Farmingville.

Governments have responded to residents' complaints with bills intended either to accommodate the immigrants or to clamp down on them. There does not appear to be any particular geographical pattern to the measures. One community's anxiety does not necessarily seem to spread. Officials from various towns have proposed limiting the number of people in a house, banning the hiring of day laborers off the street and requiring identification from anyone using a village park.


But few ideas over the years have drawn as much fire as the one Mr. Levy first broached publicly about three weeks ago to give Suffolk police officers the authority to detain illegal immigrants taken into custody for a variety of offenses.

After a meeting last week with representatives of Hispanic groups, Mr. Levy changed his plan, proposing instead to give corrections officers broader powers in enforcing immigration laws and access to federal databases. He said he would also ask Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to assign three federal agents to the county to help identify and deport illegal immigrants in police custody.

If his plan is approved by federal officials, Mr. Levy said, the corrections officers would be trained by the Department of Homeland Security. They would not pluck immigrants off the street or sweep neighborhoods, he said, but would keep those charged with a crime in jail rather than allowing them to post bail.

Of the 23,150 arrests made by Suffolk police last year, 2,349 were of noncitizens. Mr. Levy said his proposal would increase the number of inmates who are handed over to federal immigration authorities, currently fewer than a dozen each year. His original plan was opposed by the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association, whose president, Jeff Frayler, said it would chill the relationship between immigrants and the police and make illegal immigrants less likely to report crimes. Mr. Levy said the plan would not apply to people whose illegal status was discovered while they were reporting crimes.

Despite criticism from Mr. Levy's own Hispanic Advisory Board, Mr. Frayler said, the county executive tapped a wealth of public support just by making the proposal.

"I think it's much larger than anyone could have believed," he said, "and Levy's catering to that crew."

This summer, Mr. Levy ordered a police sting operation to catch unlicensed contractors, many of whom hire day laborers. He said that during the next phase, police would ask contractors to produce federal I-9 forms, proving that their employees are legally authorized to work.

The new mayor of Farmingdale, George Graf, whose campaign literature attacked the former incumbent, Joseph Trudden - accusing him of allowing "our streets to be overrun with day laborers hanging out on our corners" - has stepped up fines against drivers who stop on Conklin Street, formerly a popular spot to pick up day laborers. Mr. Graf said the crowds have thinned as officers have issued tickets with $100 fines.

The new administration has also rekindled a plan to spend $6 million to $14 million to acquire six acres of land on Secatogue Avenue, where many Hispanic residents live in decrepit apartments near the Long Island Rail Road tracks, raze the buildings and replace them with condominiums for the elderly. "It will be before the public in the first quarter" of 2005, said the village attorney, Greg Carman. "This is going to move."

Residents of the apartment complex, which is privately owned, said that their ceilings leak, that their floors are caving in and that fetid smells drift up from the basement, but that they have few other places to move. Many were suspicious of the village's motives.

"It's very hard to rent a house without papers," said Ana Maria Cabrera, 22, who works in a shoe store in Northport. "If they are moving us from one place to another, it obviously means they don't want us around."




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To: Mears

In my Brooklyn nabe, it was the illegal Mexicans who were packed in like sardines in the rentals. Then there were the legal and illegal Arabs stuffing what seemed like 30 people in the little frame houses.


61 posted on 11/28/2004 9:53:04 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Clemenza

In college, I took a course in Brazilian history at a very liberal elite university, with lots of "alternative" (revisionist) history.

They told us that the indigenous Indians of Brazil practiced extensive homosexuality, and that it became an entrenched part of the culture, although in a different way than in Anglo countries. And, to this day, homosexuality is very prevalent in Brazil, whereas other Latin countries are very intolerant of it.

Sorry.. don't mean to hijack the thread.


62 posted on 11/28/2004 9:56:09 PM PST by nj26
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To: Clemenza

Sounds like yall are still just dealing with day works and maybe a couple of street people, just wait till the gangs move in, that's when that party really starts. Short version, LL, you ain't seen nothing yet.


63 posted on 11/28/2004 10:00:24 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb; cyborg
There are already Mexican gangs in NYC and Salvadoran gangs on Long Island. Ask cyborg.

Last year, a group of Salvadoran gangbangers followed a guy home and shot him in front of his house but one mile from where I grew up.

64 posted on 11/28/2004 10:02:16 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: jpsb

That's what I don't get. Why is the police union fighting the deportation plans? I would think that they would be happy to get rid of troublemakers.


65 posted on 11/28/2004 10:03:42 PM PST by nj26
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To: jpsb

BTW: 15 years ago there were NO Mexicans to speak of in NYC, let alone suburbia. In the early 90s, the men started arriving from Puebla and by the late 90s, they were bringing their women and children.


66 posted on 11/28/2004 10:03:45 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Clemenza

Yep they're here. MS13 is ending the old joke about NCPD not doing anything to earn their high salaries.


67 posted on 11/28/2004 10:03:45 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: Clemenza
Hmmm, guess the party at your pad has begun. I am lucky I live in the one tiny little part of my community that is not over run my gangs. Murder, rape, assault, break ins are just every day events here in East Texas. Thanks alot Republicans for forcing third world culture on us. I will be sure to show my appreciation next election.
68 posted on 11/28/2004 10:07:30 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

The gangs are called "Posses".


69 posted on 11/28/2004 10:10:18 PM PST by NY Attitude
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Per the article - "One result is a commensurate strain on public services like schools, garbage collection and sewer systems in an area where residents pay some of the highest taxes in the country/"

If they think that's bad, wait until the politicians start taxing the heck out of them.

70 posted on 11/28/2004 10:13:09 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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To: nj26

The police no longer live in the neighborhood they partrol, and in the burbs most do not even walk the streets. So they really don't know or care about the people or the neighborhood it is just a job and chasing illegals is more work. Nothing against the police, there job is not an easy one, but in the old days the cops knew the people and the people knew the cops. Much better system. Now it's drive around hand out tickets, answer calls, and look for bad guys.


71 posted on 11/28/2004 10:16:36 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Ready4Freddy

That would be where I live.


72 posted on 11/28/2004 10:16:54 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: janetgreen
California has about 5 million to donate to that cause...

Because our southern border patrols are essentially a bad joke, we could offer free bus passes to New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hamphsire, with particular emphasis on Martha's Vineyard and the Hampshires, besides all the blue cities on the U.S. coasts. Since illegals can enter without impunity, let them go to to the Northeast so that the elites can enjoy the cultural change.

Then their hospitals can shut down because of the ER costs of uninsured illegals, and they can face the lost of taxes due to illegal employee wages which are sent back to Mexico. The U.S. is the #1 source of Mexican national income, and we're propping up their notoriously corrupt government while supporting 10% of their population illegally in our country.

73 posted on 11/28/2004 10:35:37 PM PST by xJones
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To: Susannah; farmfriend; B4Ranch; Mike Fieschko

East coast illegals ping - lots of frustration in Long Island, too.


74 posted on 11/28/2004 11:01:43 PM PST by risk
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To: xJones
Then their hospitals can shut down because of the ER costs of uninsured illegals

Two Los Angeles area hospital ERs have been shut down recently under the burden. They're not the first, and they won't be the last. We don't hear a word about it from our muscle-bound governor, from our Senator or Rep...and the illegals keep coming to suck our system dry.

75 posted on 11/28/2004 11:46:23 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Mike Fieschko

Where is the President's "Capital" he says he is going to spend? He hasn't spent it on the Specter Chairmanship, not on defending the boy scouts, not on stopping drivers licenses for illegals and not for controlling our borders.

On WHAT will he spend it?


76 posted on 11/28/2004 11:55:51 PM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
If they think that's bad, wait until the politicians start taxing the heck out of them. We're dying here in Vegas!

Understand!!! We are almost dead here in Southern California.

77 posted on 11/29/2004 12:02:44 AM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: janetgreen

I voted for an unknown Republican running against my L.A. area Democrat state legislator simply because he had a statement in the voter information pack that said he would work to undo benefits for illegal immigrants. Needless to say, he lost!

Does Los Angeles County still have the rule that you must be a resident of the county OR an illegal immigrant in order to receive urgent medical care?

Recall that Los Angeles and San Francisco Counties are so solidly liberal in voting that both counties went to former governor Davis during the recall election.

Just in my district of LA County, the last water quality report was available in 13 languages. At the federal level, the voting information and ballots have stayed at 7 languages.

San Francisco is floating propositions in the 2006 election to allow illegal immigrants to vote in certain local elections AND legalize prostitution.


78 posted on 11/29/2004 1:46:43 AM PST by Susannah (www.AmericasSecretWar.com)
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To: nj26
That's what I don't get. Why is the police union fighting the deportation plans? I would think that they would be happy to get rid of troublemakers.

My opinion: police and teacher unions know they will have more political clout when populations increase and the states/cities have to add more police and teachers.

I don't usually watch PBS channel news, but I recall seeing a story about the borders and they reported that some California teachers were setting up stations of emergency food and water in the desert leading to the border crossing. (humanitarian aid, the reporter said)

79 posted on 11/29/2004 2:10:52 AM PST by Susannah (www.AmericasSecretWar.com)
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To: nj26
She could ride this wave straight to the White House.

Yeah cause anti-immigration candidates have been really riding that anti-immigration wave. Buchannan road it all the way to 0% of the vote in 2000. Everybody you know is talking about illegals. Why isn't the Republican Party listening?

80 posted on 11/29/2004 2:26:00 AM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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