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L.I. Clash on Immigrants Is Gaining Political Force [NY]
New York Times ^ | Nov 29, 2004 | PATRICK HEALY

Posted on 11/28/2004 8:36:34 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

Everywhere Steve Levy went last year in his successful campaign for Suffolk County executive, he said, he heard the same complaints. A new wave of Hispanic immigrants had swept Long Island, and many residents were furious about the overcrowded homes and lines of day laborers they saw in their towns. They told Mr. Levy they wanted action.

This month, Mr. Levy floated a proposal to deputize some Suffolk County police officers, giving them the power to detain people found to be in the United States illegally after being taken into custody on other charges. Right now, Suffolk police and corrections officers say, they are prohibited from asking immigrants whether they are in the country legally. Mr. Levy's proposal, which he later amended, was met by objections from the police unions.

Mr. Levy said his intent was to fight crime by focusing the effort on criminals like gang members, not ordinary immigrants. But advocacy groups and residents of Suffolk and Nassau Counties say the proposal is a sign of the times. They say the issue of illegal immigration is rapidly gathering political force in Long Island's patchwork of historically white suburban hamlets, and as the complaints grow, politicians are responding with get-tough rhetoric, crackdowns and new laws.

"Public opinion has changed," said Sue Grant, one of several Farmingville residents who rise each morning to stand on street corners and demonstrate against the day laborers in their community. "More and more people are coming forward and saying, 'I'm sick of this.' They don't want this anymore."

It is the latest knot in Long Island's wrenching struggle to digest the thousands of Hispanic immigrants - many of them day laborers - who have arrived in the past decade and at a record pace in the last three years, drawn by jobs in construction and landscaping and other blue-collar work. One result is a commensurate strain on public services like schools, garbage collection and sewer systems in an area where residents pay some of the highest taxes in the country.

Communities across the nation - from Mesa, Ariz., to Hoover, Ala., to Freehold, N.J. - have faced similar struggles. Day laborers have been shut out and demonstrated against, and have become the targets of political campaigns. There has been tension in many villages and cities and violence in isolated spots. But observers and local politicians said that rarely has the fight seemed so bitter or raged so long as on Long Island, where violence has erupted in recent years and Mr. Levy's proposal is just one of many with support from politicians and residents.

Long Island's stratified hamlets and villages, its history of segregation by race and by economic status, its need for cheap laborers to do work rejected by others and its lack of rental housing have set a unique stage for this fight, experts said.

"People came here in the 50's and 60's and early 70's thinking they were getting away from the problems of the city," said Stefan Krieger, who runs Hofstra University's Housing Rights Clinic. "In the city, with diversity, you celebrate it. Out here, not at all. You see different-color people on the street and for some reason, there's some dissonance."

That dissonance is growing louder, its tone more varied. While some communities like Glen Cove and Freeport have arranged for hiring halls for the day laborers who line street corners, others have roundly rejected the idea.

Farmingdale has stepped up traffic enforcement to discourage contractors from picking up day laborers, and several village officials say they are planning to demolish apartments that they say are chock full of immigrants. They argue that the buildings are rife with code violations and not worth preserving.

The Town of Brookhaven has set up an informal task force to investigate code violations and complaints about homes crowded with day laborers. A town councilwoman, Geraldine Esposito, said she was searching for ways to tighten the town's Neighborhood Preservation Act, further limiting the number of people in a home. "We're trying to solve a problem that's almost unsolvable for the town," she said. "Where are these men going to go? They should go back home to where their home is. There is no pot of gold here unless they can do it legally."

Campaigns for village and town offices have ramped up their rhetoric, promising to do everything possible to get day laborers off the streets.


Local officials say their actions and ideas are necessary, fair and colorblind. They said they are not singling out Hispanic immigrants, but are trying to break up the networks of overcrowded homes, unlicensed contractors and absentee landlords that exploit day laborers.

"It's been ignored, totally ignored," said Mr. Levy, a Democrat who was elected on a platform of fiscal austerity and better management of the county, on the eastern end of Long Island, and its roughly 1.5 million residents. "It's led to workers being exploited, houses being overcrowded and legitimate businesses going under. There's an undercurrent of frustration within the majority of Suffolk residents."

But laborers and advocacy groups say the new policies and aggressive rhetoric are coded attempts to drive Latino immigrants underground or off Long Island. They see parallels between policies denying black families homes in Levittown after World War II and a proposed law in Suffolk County asking federal officials to enforce immigration laws.

"It's like we're going backwards," said Irma Solis, an organizer at the Workplace Project, a Hispanic advocacy group in Farmingville. "It's another wave of attacks against the immigrant community."

Paul Tonna of Huntington, a Republican member of the Suffolk County Legislature, is a veteran of these wars. He defended day laborers, tried unsuccessfully to pass legislation to set up a hiring hall for them and earned many enemies in the process. Now leaving office because of term limits, Mr. Tonna says he has been asking himself, why Long Island?

One reason experts cite is persistent segregation on Long Island, named the country's most segregated suburb in a 2002 study by David Rusk, a consultant who analyzes suburban segregation patterns. In the 1950's and 60's, discriminatory practices by lenders, real estate agents and builders steered minorities and whites to different communities.

Today, there are villages - like Garden City and Hempstead, Copiague and Amityville - that sit next to each other, but have nearly opposite racial compositions.

Still, Mr. Tonna said, "It's not just bigotry. It's an economic issue."

Most of the problems bubbled up in heavily white, blue-collar communities - places where new immigrants, many of them upwardly mobile, could barely get a foothold. In wealthy East Hampton, the quarrels over immigration and code violations are not centered in the wealthy beachfront enclaves but in Springs, a middle-class neighborhood.

Long Island's Hispanic population grew by about 70 percent in a decade, according to the 2000 census. Between 2000 and 2003, it grew even faster, with the number of Hispanic residents of Suffolk jumping by 20 percent. That translates into an average of 10,387 people per year, compared with about 6,500 people per year during the 1990's.

Many newcomers are here illegally or on temporary visas, but there is no definitive data on their numbers.

Immigrants arrived in droves in relatively small communities, making it impossible for residents to ignore their new neighbors. Some 80 percent of Long Islanders own their homes, and there are few rental apartments, so laborers are often crammed into single-family homes.

And thanks to the island's relatively weak labor unions, they can find work by standing on street corners, Mr. Tonna said.

Some towns took the change in stride; others rejected it outright, with angry residents attending town and county legislative meetings to complain that the influx of immigrants has brought noise violations, littering, people drinking and urinating in public and driveways crammed with cars. They videotaped crowds of day laborers and staged demonstrations.

The tension first flared into violence in 2000, when two men posing as contractors kidnapped two Farmingville day laborers and beat them with a crowbar. In July 2003, a group of teenagers set fire to the house of a Mexican family in Farmingville.

Governments have responded to residents' complaints with bills intended either to accommodate the immigrants or to clamp down on them. There does not appear to be any particular geographical pattern to the measures. One community's anxiety does not necessarily seem to spread. Officials from various towns have proposed limiting the number of people in a house, banning the hiring of day laborers off the street and requiring identification from anyone using a village park.


But few ideas over the years have drawn as much fire as the one Mr. Levy first broached publicly about three weeks ago to give Suffolk police officers the authority to detain illegal immigrants taken into custody for a variety of offenses.

After a meeting last week with representatives of Hispanic groups, Mr. Levy changed his plan, proposing instead to give corrections officers broader powers in enforcing immigration laws and access to federal databases. He said he would also ask Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to assign three federal agents to the county to help identify and deport illegal immigrants in police custody.

If his plan is approved by federal officials, Mr. Levy said, the corrections officers would be trained by the Department of Homeland Security. They would not pluck immigrants off the street or sweep neighborhoods, he said, but would keep those charged with a crime in jail rather than allowing them to post bail.

Of the 23,150 arrests made by Suffolk police last year, 2,349 were of noncitizens. Mr. Levy said his proposal would increase the number of inmates who are handed over to federal immigration authorities, currently fewer than a dozen each year. His original plan was opposed by the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association, whose president, Jeff Frayler, said it would chill the relationship between immigrants and the police and make illegal immigrants less likely to report crimes. Mr. Levy said the plan would not apply to people whose illegal status was discovered while they were reporting crimes.

Despite criticism from Mr. Levy's own Hispanic Advisory Board, Mr. Frayler said, the county executive tapped a wealth of public support just by making the proposal.

"I think it's much larger than anyone could have believed," he said, "and Levy's catering to that crew."

This summer, Mr. Levy ordered a police sting operation to catch unlicensed contractors, many of whom hire day laborers. He said that during the next phase, police would ask contractors to produce federal I-9 forms, proving that their employees are legally authorized to work.

The new mayor of Farmingdale, George Graf, whose campaign literature attacked the former incumbent, Joseph Trudden - accusing him of allowing "our streets to be overrun with day laborers hanging out on our corners" - has stepped up fines against drivers who stop on Conklin Street, formerly a popular spot to pick up day laborers. Mr. Graf said the crowds have thinned as officers have issued tickets with $100 fines.

The new administration has also rekindled a plan to spend $6 million to $14 million to acquire six acres of land on Secatogue Avenue, where many Hispanic residents live in decrepit apartments near the Long Island Rail Road tracks, raze the buildings and replace them with condominiums for the elderly. "It will be before the public in the first quarter" of 2005, said the village attorney, Greg Carman. "This is going to move."

Residents of the apartment complex, which is privately owned, said that their ceilings leak, that their floors are caving in and that fetid smells drift up from the basement, but that they have few other places to move. Many were suspicious of the village's motives.

"It's very hard to rent a house without papers," said Ana Maria Cabrera, 22, who works in a shoe store in Northport. "If they are moving us from one place to another, it obviously means they don't want us around."




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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-

"I would love to see him tied to a polygraph and say he really believes that crap."

My speculation is that he does NOT believe the Religion of Peace stuff(TROP! I don't know how to do the little trademark sign); but he DOES believe the open borders (basically) crap.


121 posted on 11/29/2004 6:58:51 PM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: jocon307

Pprobably. Guess he needs the cheap labor on his ranch. As Pres, he should pay American wages.


122 posted on 11/29/2004 7:01:33 PM PST by -=Wing_0_Walker=-
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To: nj26

bookmarked


123 posted on 11/29/2004 7:06:42 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: oceanview

"you can't expect individual citizens to start vetting all their contractors to make up for the government's willful lack of enforcement on illegal immigration - what are we supposed to do, ask the guy cutting the lawn for his green card?"

Actually, the contractor has a LEGAL OBLIGATION to check green cards for his workers, and he should be fined if he isn't doing that. That's what real immigration enforcement is about.


124 posted on 11/29/2004 7:16:56 PM PST by nj26
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To: oceanview
I expect individual citizens to use the eyes and common sense that God gave them. Assume the guy doing your lawn is illegal because the odds are overwhelming that he is. Looking the other way or wringing one's hands, when you know what the truth is, explains why areas such as LI are being overrun with illegals.
125 posted on 11/29/2004 7:21:14 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: Regulator

If I had a nickel for every time the word "immigrant" was used to describe illegals, I could retire in the manner I would like to be come accustomed!


126 posted on 11/29/2004 8:41:39 PM PST by LNewman
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To: FITZ

i agree.


127 posted on 11/29/2004 8:50:42 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Mike Fieschko

These people should be rounded up and deported to their third world countries.

Although I don't live in Long Island, I know exactly what this article is talking about. I have lots and lots of relatives in Suffolk County (Mastic Beach, Sherley) and have seen with my own eyes huddled masses of illegal aliens under bridges and overpsasses. Even here in my local town hordes of illegal aliens are in a few select locations. I see them daily. Often I slow down and they all come flocking to my car asking: "Trabajo? Trabajo?"

Lots of stories here.

The latest this past summer. We had people doing some repair and caulking work in my building with those hanging scaffoldings. One afternoon I opened the door to my bedroom and find two workers calking my window and my air-conditioning sleeve. One guy standing on the scaffold, and the other straddling on my window with one leg inside my room. The window was open, but the screen was closed. They must have opened the screen, and who knows entered my room too. Nothing was missing, thank God. Spoke to them briefly - both of them illegal aliens from Honduras. The term they used to describe their illegal status: "Sin papeles." One of them even had the galls to ask me if he could live with me, that he was a good cook and such.

I know people here looking for minimum-wage jobs, but it's getting impossible to employ this American-born citizens as all low-paying jobs have been taken by third world illegal aliens. I know, I speak to these illegals almost daily. Time to deport them to where they came from and make sure that they stay there.


128 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:55 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: drhogan

It was an interesting story and anicdotal evidence that the issue of illegal immigration is not a good one to run on in your area. Thank you for clarifying your thoughts.


129 posted on 11/29/2004 9:25:17 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: NY Attitude

"I can remember driving down Horseblock Road into Farmingville and seeing many people hanging around on the corners and running to any vehicle that would stop."

They gather mainly under overpasses and bridges here. I purposely slow down and they approach me asking for work. This is a daily event for me. Meanwhile I know of American citizens who cannot find work. The latest a woman in her mid-twenties who used to live in my building with her grandma. After she got married she moved to Syracuse, NY. Her husband abandoned her with two little girls (7 and 4-years old) and 4 months pregnant with another and she returned to her grandma and looking for minimum-wage work. The local A&P, Italian restaurants, and McDonald are now run by mostly illegal aliens. It breaks my heart, I tell you!

See my post above.


130 posted on 11/29/2004 9:30:32 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: Baraonda
It is a problem that has to be addressed somehow. The politicians are looking at the new voting base because of this situation. The problem is widespread on Long Island. Since the downturn of big industry (Grumman, Republic Aircraft and such), the Island has not been the same. The Island lost many high-tech jobs that Americans filled. Long Island was once the engineering equivalent of Silicon Valley.
131 posted on 11/29/2004 9:40:39 PM PST by NY Attitude
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To: Once-Ler

You notice though that areas with massive immigration from Mexico are not the areas with the lowest unemployment rates. Along the border unemployment is over 30% in many places --- and there is no way areas of high immigration from Mexico could be cut off from massive federal funds --- they would collapse.


132 posted on 11/30/2004 5:27:45 AM PST by FITZ
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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-

Bush will never do anything to stop illegal immigration. He is a proponent of open borders and amnesty programs. If the Dems are smart (which is highly questionable), they can seize this issue and do well at the polls. However, I doubt they will actually DO anything once elected. It's not in either party's best interests to stop illegal immigration so long as it can buy votes or make donors money.


133 posted on 11/30/2004 6:48:25 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

And when deported the illegals have to take two immigration racketeers with them.


134 posted on 11/30/2004 9:26:49 AM PST by junta
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To: doc30

I agree with every statement. Government by the governing political party, not the people.


135 posted on 11/30/2004 3:49:26 PM PST by -=Wing_0_Walker=-
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To: FITZ
I read my post and yours twice. I'm not trying to be dense but I don't understand your point. Illegals often go where relatives live because they can help each other. Areas of underemployment change. The point that unemployment is high in many border spots begs the counter point that unemployment is low in many border spots or low in many places all over the USA. Many is not a measurement.

and there is no way areas of high immigration from Mexico could be cut off from massive federal funds --- they would collapse.

If I read you correctly you are saying don't worry about the repercussions of a diminishing work force the government will pay for it.

136 posted on 11/30/2004 11:01:10 PM PST by Once-Ler (iconoclast says "He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: Once-Ler

The government is subsidizing your cheap labor by giving it the free health care and education that the employer of illegals does not wish to provide. Immigrants are only a great deal for their employer because they'll work for very cheap and expect no health insurance or workman's comp because the taxpayers will provide that. One immigrant bringing in 7 or 8 kids will cost the taxpayers $70,000 a year in schooling. If the employers had to pay these people what it takes to make it in the USA without government handouts, they wouldn't want them.


137 posted on 12/01/2004 5:11:39 AM PST by FITZ
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To: cyborg

Of course it's not the same thing -- are they talking about harassing legal immigrants or cracking down on illegals?


138 posted on 12/02/2004 12:25:44 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: katnip; Clemenza; cyborg
They set up one in Freeport in Nassau County too. Bishop Murphy was a big supporter of it, of course as long as it wasn't by his mansion in Rockville Centre.

Every time I drove past there was people out there protesting it and of course counter-protestors with their "stop the hate" signs. I'm not sure if it's still there and since I moved of of LI, I don't care.

I remember back in the late 80s, when I used to drive down Franklin Avenue past Hempstead Turnpike early in the morning and saw them all clustered by the street corners. I was about as appalled then as I am now.

139 posted on 12/02/2004 12:32:09 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: jpsb

Too late. The gangs are already there -- some of the Salvadoran ones have been there since 1990 or so.

They recently offed 2 people (one a teen girl) who tried to leave one of the gangs. Dumped the girl's body in the veddy exclusive Old Westbury.


140 posted on 12/02/2004 12:38:37 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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