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L.I. Clash on Immigrants Is Gaining Political Force [NY]
New York Times ^ | Nov 29, 2004 | PATRICK HEALY

Posted on 11/28/2004 8:36:34 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

Everywhere Steve Levy went last year in his successful campaign for Suffolk County executive, he said, he heard the same complaints. A new wave of Hispanic immigrants had swept Long Island, and many residents were furious about the overcrowded homes and lines of day laborers they saw in their towns. They told Mr. Levy they wanted action.

This month, Mr. Levy floated a proposal to deputize some Suffolk County police officers, giving them the power to detain people found to be in the United States illegally after being taken into custody on other charges. Right now, Suffolk police and corrections officers say, they are prohibited from asking immigrants whether they are in the country legally. Mr. Levy's proposal, which he later amended, was met by objections from the police unions.

Mr. Levy said his intent was to fight crime by focusing the effort on criminals like gang members, not ordinary immigrants. But advocacy groups and residents of Suffolk and Nassau Counties say the proposal is a sign of the times. They say the issue of illegal immigration is rapidly gathering political force in Long Island's patchwork of historically white suburban hamlets, and as the complaints grow, politicians are responding with get-tough rhetoric, crackdowns and new laws.

"Public opinion has changed," said Sue Grant, one of several Farmingville residents who rise each morning to stand on street corners and demonstrate against the day laborers in their community. "More and more people are coming forward and saying, 'I'm sick of this.' They don't want this anymore."

It is the latest knot in Long Island's wrenching struggle to digest the thousands of Hispanic immigrants - many of them day laborers - who have arrived in the past decade and at a record pace in the last three years, drawn by jobs in construction and landscaping and other blue-collar work. One result is a commensurate strain on public services like schools, garbage collection and sewer systems in an area where residents pay some of the highest taxes in the country.

Communities across the nation - from Mesa, Ariz., to Hoover, Ala., to Freehold, N.J. - have faced similar struggles. Day laborers have been shut out and demonstrated against, and have become the targets of political campaigns. There has been tension in many villages and cities and violence in isolated spots. But observers and local politicians said that rarely has the fight seemed so bitter or raged so long as on Long Island, where violence has erupted in recent years and Mr. Levy's proposal is just one of many with support from politicians and residents.

Long Island's stratified hamlets and villages, its history of segregation by race and by economic status, its need for cheap laborers to do work rejected by others and its lack of rental housing have set a unique stage for this fight, experts said.

"People came here in the 50's and 60's and early 70's thinking they were getting away from the problems of the city," said Stefan Krieger, who runs Hofstra University's Housing Rights Clinic. "In the city, with diversity, you celebrate it. Out here, not at all. You see different-color people on the street and for some reason, there's some dissonance."

That dissonance is growing louder, its tone more varied. While some communities like Glen Cove and Freeport have arranged for hiring halls for the day laborers who line street corners, others have roundly rejected the idea.

Farmingdale has stepped up traffic enforcement to discourage contractors from picking up day laborers, and several village officials say they are planning to demolish apartments that they say are chock full of immigrants. They argue that the buildings are rife with code violations and not worth preserving.

The Town of Brookhaven has set up an informal task force to investigate code violations and complaints about homes crowded with day laborers. A town councilwoman, Geraldine Esposito, said she was searching for ways to tighten the town's Neighborhood Preservation Act, further limiting the number of people in a home. "We're trying to solve a problem that's almost unsolvable for the town," she said. "Where are these men going to go? They should go back home to where their home is. There is no pot of gold here unless they can do it legally."

Campaigns for village and town offices have ramped up their rhetoric, promising to do everything possible to get day laborers off the streets.


Local officials say their actions and ideas are necessary, fair and colorblind. They said they are not singling out Hispanic immigrants, but are trying to break up the networks of overcrowded homes, unlicensed contractors and absentee landlords that exploit day laborers.

"It's been ignored, totally ignored," said Mr. Levy, a Democrat who was elected on a platform of fiscal austerity and better management of the county, on the eastern end of Long Island, and its roughly 1.5 million residents. "It's led to workers being exploited, houses being overcrowded and legitimate businesses going under. There's an undercurrent of frustration within the majority of Suffolk residents."

But laborers and advocacy groups say the new policies and aggressive rhetoric are coded attempts to drive Latino immigrants underground or off Long Island. They see parallels between policies denying black families homes in Levittown after World War II and a proposed law in Suffolk County asking federal officials to enforce immigration laws.

"It's like we're going backwards," said Irma Solis, an organizer at the Workplace Project, a Hispanic advocacy group in Farmingville. "It's another wave of attacks against the immigrant community."

Paul Tonna of Huntington, a Republican member of the Suffolk County Legislature, is a veteran of these wars. He defended day laborers, tried unsuccessfully to pass legislation to set up a hiring hall for them and earned many enemies in the process. Now leaving office because of term limits, Mr. Tonna says he has been asking himself, why Long Island?

One reason experts cite is persistent segregation on Long Island, named the country's most segregated suburb in a 2002 study by David Rusk, a consultant who analyzes suburban segregation patterns. In the 1950's and 60's, discriminatory practices by lenders, real estate agents and builders steered minorities and whites to different communities.

Today, there are villages - like Garden City and Hempstead, Copiague and Amityville - that sit next to each other, but have nearly opposite racial compositions.

Still, Mr. Tonna said, "It's not just bigotry. It's an economic issue."

Most of the problems bubbled up in heavily white, blue-collar communities - places where new immigrants, many of them upwardly mobile, could barely get a foothold. In wealthy East Hampton, the quarrels over immigration and code violations are not centered in the wealthy beachfront enclaves but in Springs, a middle-class neighborhood.

Long Island's Hispanic population grew by about 70 percent in a decade, according to the 2000 census. Between 2000 and 2003, it grew even faster, with the number of Hispanic residents of Suffolk jumping by 20 percent. That translates into an average of 10,387 people per year, compared with about 6,500 people per year during the 1990's.

Many newcomers are here illegally or on temporary visas, but there is no definitive data on their numbers.

Immigrants arrived in droves in relatively small communities, making it impossible for residents to ignore their new neighbors. Some 80 percent of Long Islanders own their homes, and there are few rental apartments, so laborers are often crammed into single-family homes.

And thanks to the island's relatively weak labor unions, they can find work by standing on street corners, Mr. Tonna said.

Some towns took the change in stride; others rejected it outright, with angry residents attending town and county legislative meetings to complain that the influx of immigrants has brought noise violations, littering, people drinking and urinating in public and driveways crammed with cars. They videotaped crowds of day laborers and staged demonstrations.

The tension first flared into violence in 2000, when two men posing as contractors kidnapped two Farmingville day laborers and beat them with a crowbar. In July 2003, a group of teenagers set fire to the house of a Mexican family in Farmingville.

Governments have responded to residents' complaints with bills intended either to accommodate the immigrants or to clamp down on them. There does not appear to be any particular geographical pattern to the measures. One community's anxiety does not necessarily seem to spread. Officials from various towns have proposed limiting the number of people in a house, banning the hiring of day laborers off the street and requiring identification from anyone using a village park.


But few ideas over the years have drawn as much fire as the one Mr. Levy first broached publicly about three weeks ago to give Suffolk police officers the authority to detain illegal immigrants taken into custody for a variety of offenses.

After a meeting last week with representatives of Hispanic groups, Mr. Levy changed his plan, proposing instead to give corrections officers broader powers in enforcing immigration laws and access to federal databases. He said he would also ask Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to assign three federal agents to the county to help identify and deport illegal immigrants in police custody.

If his plan is approved by federal officials, Mr. Levy said, the corrections officers would be trained by the Department of Homeland Security. They would not pluck immigrants off the street or sweep neighborhoods, he said, but would keep those charged with a crime in jail rather than allowing them to post bail.

Of the 23,150 arrests made by Suffolk police last year, 2,349 were of noncitizens. Mr. Levy said his proposal would increase the number of inmates who are handed over to federal immigration authorities, currently fewer than a dozen each year. His original plan was opposed by the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association, whose president, Jeff Frayler, said it would chill the relationship between immigrants and the police and make illegal immigrants less likely to report crimes. Mr. Levy said the plan would not apply to people whose illegal status was discovered while they were reporting crimes.

Despite criticism from Mr. Levy's own Hispanic Advisory Board, Mr. Frayler said, the county executive tapped a wealth of public support just by making the proposal.

"I think it's much larger than anyone could have believed," he said, "and Levy's catering to that crew."

This summer, Mr. Levy ordered a police sting operation to catch unlicensed contractors, many of whom hire day laborers. He said that during the next phase, police would ask contractors to produce federal I-9 forms, proving that their employees are legally authorized to work.

The new mayor of Farmingdale, George Graf, whose campaign literature attacked the former incumbent, Joseph Trudden - accusing him of allowing "our streets to be overrun with day laborers hanging out on our corners" - has stepped up fines against drivers who stop on Conklin Street, formerly a popular spot to pick up day laborers. Mr. Graf said the crowds have thinned as officers have issued tickets with $100 fines.

The new administration has also rekindled a plan to spend $6 million to $14 million to acquire six acres of land on Secatogue Avenue, where many Hispanic residents live in decrepit apartments near the Long Island Rail Road tracks, raze the buildings and replace them with condominiums for the elderly. "It will be before the public in the first quarter" of 2005, said the village attorney, Greg Carman. "This is going to move."

Residents of the apartment complex, which is privately owned, said that their ceilings leak, that their floors are caving in and that fetid smells drift up from the basement, but that they have few other places to move. Many were suspicious of the village's motives.

"It's very hard to rent a house without papers," said Ana Maria Cabrera, 22, who works in a shoe store in Northport. "If they are moving us from one place to another, it obviously means they don't want us around."




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To: Mike Fieschko; All
The Times article mentions the town of Freehold New Jersey. The story of illegal immigration in this landlocked town of only 1.6 square miles is AMAZING. The town has become a foreign outpost of illegal aliens. It is a work camp for illegals sanctioned by the U.S. Government. In 10 years, illegals have changed the entire population, flooded the schools, and overwhelmed services. Nowhere is the cost and impact more compelling. Because of the size and population of this small town, it is easy to measure the impact of the illegal invasion.

Freehold, a completely developed town for the last 50 years, has seen a constant population of 10-11K over that period. Now, it is estimated that 4K illegals live in the town. In an article in the local paper, the schools have seen almost 400 new school age children in ten years! 1,000 to 1,4000.

For those still wondering about the impact of illegal immigration, the Story of Freehold New Jersey, is a story that needs to be told.
101 posted on 11/29/2004 10:29:42 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: Mike Fieschko
While Hispanics makeup the majority of illegal aliens. Let's not forget the Russian Mafia, the Bangledashis, Indonesians.

Monday a week ago 26 persons, most of them Indonesians who had been granted amnesty, were arrested for assisting thousnds of Indonesian immigrants to apply for asylum and obtain false IDs. Investigators also came across nearly 1,900 fradulent residency certifications prepared for Indonesian immigrants.

102 posted on 11/29/2004 10:30:26 AM PST by Dante3
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Hispanic immigrants

Classic deceit and propaganda. They aren't immigrants. They're illegal aliens, nothing more. Deportation is not a punishment.

103 posted on 11/29/2004 10:31:52 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Clemenza

I'm sick and tired of the whole mess, we are being over run by illegals here where I live also, you go in to some of the local stores and you'd think you walked into Mexico! Why won't the people we put into office do something?!!!


104 posted on 11/29/2004 10:36:25 AM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (I have left this blank for a reason....)
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To: Die_Hard Conservative Lady

The people in the federal government have done something. NAFTA was more than just a trade agreement. It was a way to integrate Mexico with us to bolster its corrupt political system and to provide a safety valve for the Mexican labor force by allowing illegal immigration to go unchallenged.

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In Pursuit of Western Hemispheric Integration

NAFTA became the biggest sub-regional integration project in the hemisphere and was the first to successfully integrate a Latin American country to an industrialized nation. Given the fact that it achieved a successful North-South form of integration, this system became an exemplary model in the international community and especially, in South America. The many benefits NAFTA felt prompted increased regionalism along the NAFTA-type, though, in the Western Hemisphere, many scholars argue that NAFTA also came at a cost to its members. Questioning emerged in both the Southern and Northern Hemispheres as to which NAFTA member benefited most from this integration scheme, and most importantly, if integration was a worthwhile proposition in the first place. For this reason, a critical debate emerged in the United States on whether or not these costs (such as displacement of workers and an increase in "unwanted" immigration) were worth the sub-regional effort. This debate has had a long-lasting affect on the United States’ perspective on free trade endeavors and a paralyzing affect on legislation facilitating agreement processes.

http://www1.appstate.edu/~stefanov/proceedings/debenedictis.htm


105 posted on 11/29/2004 10:51:16 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: nj26; drhogan; cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; ...
FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

Once-Ler believes illegal immigration is the best thing since sliced bread as long as it provides cheap labor among other things. Check Once-Ler's comments on Immigrants Face Loss of Licenses in ID Crackdown.

106 posted on 11/29/2004 11:00:29 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

They need to pass some zoning and occupancy permit laws in these communities, and *enforce* them.


107 posted on 11/29/2004 11:24:01 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: AuntB

LOL!!! I suppose I should count my blessings.


108 posted on 11/29/2004 11:40:53 AM PST by Mears
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To: cyborg

some of the big landlords have many houses that they have turned into illegal units. they get money from government programs for many of their tenants.
i don't understand the whole picture, but i think it is pretty incredible.
tax payers are paying absentee landlords to house people illegally, and if a repub candidate objects, he is completely villified.
the town supervisor in huntington switched from repub to dem after he was re-elected, because the dem machine controls the whole operation in huntington and gets the campaign donations from the landlords.
(i don't dispute your points, however. i don't doubt that there are some repub absentee landlords doing the same thing.)


109 posted on 11/29/2004 11:55:50 AM PST by drhogan
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To: Once-Ler

i emphasized ILLEGAL immigration because the candidate that i was supporting was focusing on the legal aspects (mostly the illegal housing issue.) the dems and the dem media turned it into a racial issue, branded the guy a racist, and he lost.
i don't know where most repubs on LI stand on the issue--i am really only aware of repub attitudes in huntington.


110 posted on 11/29/2004 12:03:54 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Once-Ler

i only SUSPECT that most LI repubs oppose illegal immigration; i don't know it for a fact. however, if i were running for office here, i doubt if i would focus on the issue in my campaign. it is something like advocating social security reform. it may be necessary, but that doesn't mean that you can win a political campaign by focusing on it.
i haven't seen any polling data on this issue for LI, so i am going by election results, which are not exact indicators on a specific issue.


111 posted on 11/29/2004 12:08:25 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Mike Fieschko

I grew up in Kings Park.

Moved out west, and I'll never move back!

We have metric tons of illegals here in AZ - but it still beats the hell out of New York.


112 posted on 11/29/2004 12:22:45 PM PST by adam_az (Nov. 3, 2004: Our Republic is Secure!)
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To: adam_az

"Governments have responded to residents' complaints with bills intended either to accommodate the immigrants or to clamp down on them."

What a joke. The government responds by accomodating the criminal rather than booting them out.

If the RATS seize on the issue of illegal immigration and cutting spending, the GOP will be in huge trouble.

I live in NY and am disgusted with the GOP who refuses to do anything about it. If a personlike Mr. Levy ran for county executive I would vote for him.

As far as I am concerned, the most in your face problem facing me as a citizen every day is illegal aliens. It is destroying our society faster than the Japanese, Germans, or Communists ever could.


113 posted on 11/29/2004 12:31:11 PM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Luke21

"I expect illegal immigration to be whooped into a frenzy by the mm the next four years and for another "strong" third party candidate to arise and be given massive media exposure, like Perot, while claiming to be against open borders. Like Perot, he will be nothing but a spy for the Clintons."

Exactly. It is inherently suspicious when the NY Times is championing immigration control, and discussing the quality-of-life costs of illegal immigration. There is some sort of hidden agenda.


114 posted on 11/29/2004 2:54:30 PM PST by nj26
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To: drhogan

I don't think it should be based on legal vs illegal as much as it is based on taxpayer dependent vs self-reliant. The fact is most Mexicans don't have the education or job skills that they can bring large extended families here without many of those family members being dependent on government programs.

Many of the legal immigrants here are well past retirement age --- brought in by family members who sponsor them but never follow through with the financial support of them. Sponsors should be required to obtain health insurance policies for their immigrants and put up for all the costs associated with them or the immigrant should be sent home. Some illegals might not commit felony document crimes --- just work for cash but leave the family back home where it's cheaper to support them.

The truth is we cannot take in the 80% of poverty stricken Mexicans and give them a nice life --- it's time that country make some over-do reforms and change it's ways so more of it's citizens can make it back home.


115 posted on 11/29/2004 3:56:36 PM PST by FITZ
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To: nj26
Tonna is married to a Mexican lady.

He is also a very slick racebaiter. Real slime.

116 posted on 11/29/2004 6:23:03 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: chris1

Levy is the Suffolk County executive.

Its all lip service, the Dems won't do anything about this either. They will chase the illegals to some other location where they can gather for day labor jobs.


117 posted on 11/29/2004 6:27:24 PM PST by oceanview
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To: neverdem

Long Islanders could cut the problem in half if they hired fellow citizens to do their lawns, clean their homes and refuse to hire contractors who hire illegals. Or they could do it themselves.


118 posted on 11/29/2004 6:46:56 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: CaptainK

you can't expect individual citizens to start vetting all their contractors to make up for the government's willful lack of enforcement on illegal immigration - what are we supposed to do, ask the guy cutting the lawn for his green card?


119 posted on 11/29/2004 6:50:03 PM PST by oceanview
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To: jocon307
I like GWB, but he can't be for real with the legalized whatever 'migrants and Religion of Peace. This is where he plays politics and I would love to see him tied to a polygraph and say he really believes that crap.
120 posted on 11/29/2004 6:50:45 PM PST by -=Wing_0_Walker=-
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