Posted on 11/28/2004 1:44:21 PM PST by woodb01
Filled with feminist misandry (male hatred) the entire "divorce system" is like a cancer in the body politic and drastic surgery is needed.
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FoTF is basically a Protestant operation...you won't get much in the way of anti-divorce positioning out of them.
FoTF is basically a Protestant operation...you won't get much in the way of anti-divorce positioning out of them.That is an unusual position to take considering that the covenant marriage movement is based in states in which Protestants outnumber Catholics: Arkansas, Louisana and Arizona.
I beg to differ. Evangelical (ie, Bible-believing) Protestantism is just as hostile to divorce as Catholics are.
Unfortunately, legions of self-proclaimed "Catholics" and "Evangelicals" alike, ignore the prohibition and divorce and remarry as they will.
I beg to differ. Evangelical (ie, Bible-believing) Protestantism is just as hostile to divorce as Catholics are.
Unfortunately, legions of self-proclaimed "Catholics" and "Evangelicals" alike, ignore the prohibition and divorce and remarry as they will.
The explosion of divorce was NOT caused by feminism.
The household labor saving appliances of the 50's meant that now men could have clean clothes and hot meals without a wife. The popular culture of the time often depicted wives as fur-coat obsessed, shopaholic parasites who drained the virility from their husbands and reduced them to "yes, dear" servility. Men responded by deferring marriage, spending their new disposable income on the swinging single hep cat bachelor pad, on Playboy and Thunderbirds and martinis and Dave Brubeck albums on their new hi-fi stereos.
When the sexual revolution hit, no fault divorce meant that professional and upper class men were free to ditch their redundant wives and enjoy the new freedoms. It was this that triggered feminism because the popular culture of the early 70s was full of horror stories about suddenly destitute middle aged women without marketable job skills being dumped by divorce onto the job market. Younger women saw that marriage was no guarantee of lifetime socioeconomic security. The only guarantee that you would always be able to support yourself was to never stop working and thereby always have marketable job skills.
We have a long way to go to educate people on how bad no-fault divorce is. So try to stay focused, don't blame "protestants" or "catholics", but just explain to a lot of ignorant and uncaring persons about how bad it is. I repeat: we have a long way to go. Don't get sidetracked or out-of-control-angry. Got it??
I mean this to everyone, not specifically to you to whom I am replying.
"...Louisana..."
Louisiana may have more Protestants than Catholics living there, but culturally it Roman Catholic. Amazingly so, as I, a Roman Catholic realized when I visited there. It made me realize how totally Protestant the rest of the USA is, even NYC where I grew up. Hudson County, NJ, where I live now, is pretty RC, that I will say.
I say we go back to the days when women were just property! Yeah! That'll teach 'em! Upity women! They're lucky we don't just hang 'em like horse thieves!
Ok. Now that THAT'S out of my system. *Deep Breath*
I agree that no-fault is a problem when it comes to families with children, but I think it should still be OK when no children are involved, just the adults. Or those children pretending to be adults, LOL!
I've been through two divorces. The first; I left because my Ex refused to grow up, get a job, and I was tired of being his Mother! Grrrr! I left him with a home, a truck and some cash in the bank.
Second divorce was a total emotional disaster; the standard "Other woman, currently with child" kind of disaster. I was totally thrown away like a used tissue, BUT I had a good lawyer and he left with little more than he came with into the marriage. I think that was fair, considering the circumstances of his adultery and thus and such.
So, if it's just grown ups divorcing each other, fine. If kids are involved, then yes, it should be contested and it should be duked out in court, all the way, the full meal deal. Maybe then people would THINK before they acted? Oh, who am I kidding? Most cases usually hinge on who has more money and can afford the lawyer with the better wardrobe. Double-Grrrr!
"The explosion of divorce was NOT caused by feminism."
Thanks for sticking up for us females on this thread. It never fails to amaze me how these anti-divorce threads become bash-a-thons against women.
I venture that the stat showing 75% of divorce actions being initiated by women do not at all indicate which party desires the divorce. It is still considered extremely "bad form" for a man to divorce his wife, so even if he is the one who has abandoned the marriage she will still likely be the complainant of record.
I know there are a lot of lousy dames in the world, but I think statistics clearly show there are more bad men than women. I readily concede the courts are prejudiced against men in divorce proceedings and I strongly agree that throwing people in prison for failure to pay child support is probably unconstitutional.
It's amazing. Even very strict Bible-based churches seem to ignore what God says about this subject, even though we know God hates divorce and remarriage:
Malachi 2:16 For I hate divorce," says the LORD
1 Cor 7: 9 But to the married I give instructions, 10 not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband
11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.
Matt 5:32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Sam,
You need to do some reading on the intended goals of the Feminist movement, and more importantly Antonio Gramsci's "Planned Destruction of the Family Unit".
III.Antonio Gramschi, 1891-1937
A.The New Order (L'Ordine Nuovo)
1.Italian Communist newspaper, founded 1919
2.Co-founder of Italian Communist Party, 1921
3.Pre-Prison Writings, ed. Richard Bellamy (Cambridge, 1994)
4.Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Intl. Publishers, 1971)
B.Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail
1.The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
2.When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism
C.Gradual revolution: infiltrate, Co-opt, Subvert
1.Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
2.Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
3.Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
4.Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
5.Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
6.Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons
D.Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as
"global understanding," "economic development," "transfer of resources"
E.Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a
Communist revolution can succeed
1.Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as
Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
a.Terror will only drive Religion underground
b.Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
c.So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men
2.Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
a.Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
b.Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
(1)Cause financial and sexual scandals
(2)See that this is given a high profile in the news
(3)Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate
3.Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the
idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been
traditionally brought before the church
F.When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
1.National Consensus
2.Popular Mandate
3.National Pacification
4.Pluralism
5.Global Community
6.Economic Justice
7.Economic Democracy
8.Liberation Theology
9.Direct Action
G.Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity
in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread."
H. Subvert the existing hegemonic culture and replace it with
a "counter-hegemony" that is based on the revolutionary
culture of the oppressed masses
Dear Sam,
You have an interesting proposition, yet it is wholly unsupported by the facts. It is more of the same propaganda pushed by the left. My friend Judy Parejko (who wrote the book "Stolen Vows"), and I have thoroughly researched this issue and it shows that the rise of divorce was DIRECTLY correllated with the rise of feminism and the no-fault laws.
Unfortunately for those who would like to believe differently, or simply want to endorse a position not supported by the facts, this IS well documented.
And before you start firing at the hip on this issue, please be aware that I can point you to US House Congressional testimony, legal briefs, and several years worth of research that I PERSONALLY have done.
Feminism pushed the issue, and most would be surprised that it has come STRAIGHT from communist Russia, to the Women's Lawyer's Association in the 40's, who pressed until the 60's to find an opening, and the rest is well known.
It also has its roots in the "free love" movement of the late 1800's, by a couple of avowed communist feminist sisters who wanted marriage done away with. Harper's weekly ran several GREAT illustrations about the family butcher that Communism was at that time...
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Diana,
You're obviously a radfem... I feel sorry for you and pity you... Poor girl...
Up in the socialist state of Wisconsin too...
WoodB,
Please see my post #15.
I'm sure you're well aware of all of these things already, but just making certain.
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