Posted on 11/28/2004 1:16:50 PM PST by AuntB
Hispanic Conservative: Illegal Immigration Bugs Us November 23, 2004
Listen to Rush Read the Monologue Transcribed Below... (audio)
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RUSH: Grand Rapids, Michigan, this is Jose. Welcome to the program, sir. I'm glad you waited.
CALLER: Thank you. Thank you very much. These are red state dittos. Rush, I could never understand during the campaign, and still don't, why some people believe that this is an issue for the Hispanic community. I've been working for the Hispanic community -- or with the Hispanic community -- for over 25 years, and I write a little column. I'm the only conservative token Hispanic writer around here, and I feel that is the least of the concern in the Hispanic community is immigration and --
RUSH: Wait, wait, wait a minute. Which is the least of the concerns?
CALLER: Illegal immigration or amnesty or any of those programs. Hispanics voted this time around on the issues that everybody else voted: Security, education, values, et cetera. I don't know, and have not talked to, any Hispanic leader or person who brings up the subject of illegal immigration except --
RUSH: Well --
CALLER: -- those organizations that are aligned with the Democratic Party.
RUSH: Well, that's what I was going to say. They certainly do, and a number of votes were peeled off from those groups this time around as you just mentioned. This is interesting because, you know, the conventional wisdom is that it was Bush's immigration position that softened opposition from the Hispanic community and sent them over to him, and you're making just the exact opposite point, that it had nothing to do with it at all. I would conclude from this then, Jose, that -- would you also say that the people you're talking about, Hispanic voters you're talking about, what is their opinion on this immigration bill and the whole concept anyway, now that they're here and they're citizens? What's their opinion of it? CALLER: Well, first of all, I would tell you that we have to be fair, as conservatives, as to how do we label this, whether it's amnesty or not. You know, I know that some people are upset about it and we really have to be very careful. This could go either way. Like I said, they are not very concerned about it. Actually, it is against the interests of Hispanics born in the United States, and even recent legal immigrants, to have to compete against illegal immigrants.
RUSH: Thank you.
CALLER: So they will not support illegal immigration. That doesn't make any sense. Secondly, the thing I have to say to Republicans is that they do not know the Hispanic community. This is not a racial issue. Hispanics do not consider themselves a race. Hispanics are white. They're black. They're mixed. They're of all races and social backgrounds.
RUSH: No, but it's their supporters on the left who try to make this a racial issue, and let me say, there's a genuine fear -- it's understandable fear from people on the right -- because in the past, the fastest way to have your career ruined and the fastest way to be marginalized was to have somebody call you a racist and have it stick. It tarred and feathered people and it's been a trick that the left has used for as long as I've been commentating about such things and they still try today, particularly on this issue, and that's why it's used.
CALLER: Well, at least you don't have to put up with being called a "Hispanic Uncle Tom" and be relegated to have to write on a free shopper newspaper because no media will employ you unless you are writing about Hispanic topics. Or even just look at your Fox network. Look at the major networks. There are no Hispanic pundits that are conservative. There are no Hispanic conservative writers in any major media, and so the 45% of people who actually step up and voted for Bush are not represented anywhere that I can think of.
RUSH: Hmm. Well, that's interesting and it's probably true. I think it's an interesting point of view, Jose. I'm glad you called. I appreciate your time on this. You know, it stands to reason. This just goes to show how easily we all fall for the conventional wisdom. "Ooooh Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote! It must be because he has this position supporting whatever, the quasi-amnesty, whatever you want to call it, for illegals," and apparently it may not be true.
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My world. Although they haven't managed to screw up the weather - yet.
Ominous forebodings ~ Bump! :)
Do you have to get a letter from your doctor to visit your dying mother or father? I didn't think so.
You've missed the point. In order to tighten up on the illegal immigration side of the Mexican Border issue, we need to be more accommodating to Mexican US citizens and their concerns for their families in Mexico. Their families are their "family values". The party that caters to this concern will get the Hispanic vote. And practically, I don't care if it is "pandering", as long as it elects Republicans.
Bush has got to get his priorities straight on this.
NOBODY want illegals here, or rewarded by an "amnesty" program. Nobody except of course, Democrats who hope to register them invalidly as new voters and business interests who want cheap labor.
Its not an Hispanic American issue, as this caller points out. Hispanic American citizens and legal residents aliens are interested in the sanctity of the family, decent jobs and living conditions, and protection against Islamist lunatics.
If Bush continues to pander to that ungrateful wretch Vicente Fox on this subject, he will undermine the next Republican candidate for President.
Right now, I'd like to see Tancredo as much as Rice in that position.
" I had some hope that Fox would start to address the coruption there but it apppears he's not."
I was driving 750 miles home from Jarbidge, Nevada (some freepers had a little get together and opened a road) on July 4, 2000, when it was announced on the radio that Fox had been elected ending the decades of corrupt regime. I was SO happy for the Mexican people. Sigh....
If I were serving in Iraq and my wife had a baby or my daughter had a baby, I would have to wait until I had leave to see them. Mexicans get to come over the border the same day to see the mother and baby. If, while serving in Iraq, one of my family members were dying, I would have to have official notification before I could come home.
You have missed the point, the border is not tight. Most all the Mexicans have shopping cards for their family members and they come and go as they please.
Since you are pandering for votes, when does family values stop? I have seen Mexican claim first cousin, second cousin and all the way to the fifth cousin. How do you prove anyone is related to someone with all the fraudulent documentation going ons in Mexico?
You may be willing to sell out this country for votes for the Republican party, but I won't.
"You may be willing to sell out this country for votes for the Republican party, but I won't. "
The GOP is going to lose big time on this issue!
As far as family ties --- it's kind of a non-issue --- if your family connections are with France or Germany --- that does not mean we MUST have open borders and unlimited immigration and visitor visas given to every European. When people marry with other nationalities, they know that going into the marriage.
And would the same hold true for every Arab, every Persian, every Chinese, every African, every Haitian? Everyone with distant family members in some foreign country can just forget a border exists?
The transcript isn't up yet,but onLou Dobbs/Cnn they were talking about MALDEF, the big law firm for illegals. They promote the protests in Long Beach (pictures on CNN) and shot down prop. 187 in California. I'm still looking for the board of directors, but their donors are interesting. This is the outfit we are fighting. This is just a partial list.
aken from pages 15 and 16 of MALDEF's annual report
[MALDEF's] vision is of an America where being Latino is no longer an obstacle to full participation in society. We imagine an America where all people, including Latinos, enjoy the same rights and protections under the law; where Latino voices are fully heard and represented in the political process; where all people work together to maintain high levels of justice and fairness throughout the American system. Thank you to all of you who have supported MALDEF throughout this year.
OUR CORPORATE AND
FOUNDATION PARTNERS
PLATINUM PARTNERS: $100,000+
Anheuser-Busch Companies
The Ford Foundation
The James Irvine Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
The Sandler Family Supporting
Foundation
Soros Foundation
Washington Mutual
GOLD PARTNERS: $50,000 ú $99,999
America's Charities
California Community Foundation
Center for Law in the Public Interest
The Gerber Foundation
Houston Endowment Inc.
Jeht Foundation
John S. and James L. Knight Foundation
Kaiser Permanente
Levi Strauss Foundation
Marguerite Casey Foundation
The Rosenberg Foundation
The State Bar of California
SILVER PARTNERS: $10,000 ú $49,000
Arthur M. Blank Foundation
AT&T
Bank of America
BELO Corporation
BP
Bracewell & Patterson, L.L.P
The Bravo Foundation
The California Endowment
The Coca-Cola Company
The David & Katherine Moore Family
Foundation
David & Lucile Packard Foundation
Exelon Corporation
Fannie Mae Foundation
Ford Motor Company
Fried, Frank Harris, Shriver & Jacobson
The Gas Company, A Sempra Energy
Company
General Motors Corporation
Health Care Service Corporation
Intercultural Development Research
Kilpatrick Stockton LLP
Law Offices of Enrique Moreno
Linebarger, Goggan, Blair, Pena &
Sampson, LLP
Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw
McDonald's Corp.
Motorola, Inc
NBC4 / Telemundo 52
Prudential Financial
Shell Oil Company
Southern California Edison
Southwest Airlines
Texas Equal Access to Justice Foundation
Toyota Motor Sales USA, Inc.
TXU Corporation
Tyson Foods, Inc
Univision Television Group, Inc.
Verizon Communications, Inc.
Walt Disney Company
Wells Fargo & Company
Winston & Strawn
Zubi Advertising Services, Inc.
BRONZE PARTNERS: $1,000 ú $9,999
AARP
WALMART
See post 90.
If the truth were to ever get out, the illegals probably cost each border state $10 billion a year. Too bad some enterprising person doesn't do a comparison of the nothern border states loss to the southern border states loss.
These huge corporate donors are making billions off the illegal alien while the average joe pays welfare for the illegals.
I notice that First Data and Western Union aren't listed. I wonder why as they make billions off the illegals also.
I think Bush is up to something totally shrewd, like a poker player. Fox may be walking into a wedding he wasn't planning on! Like a frog in gradually warming water,
Only Mexico isn't 1 state, it's 31 states --- most which would join our "blue" states. Mexico is quite socialist --- a 70% labor force unionization compared with 10% for the USA. I don't think we need the problems of millions of indigent and uneducated people added for the American taxpayers --- and the elites aren't going to let go of that country easily --- it brings them an awful lot of wealth.
So the unions run the place? That's another reason for unemployment. I haven't met their version of union thugs, just regular, normal people that can spot AMAIRicans before you see them:)
Yes --- the unions in Mexico can shut the entire country down if they choose --- they hold great power. Mexico's serious problems aren't due to a lack of natural resources ---- they've got plenty of that --- same kind as ours being part of the same land mass and they hold the second highest amount of oil in the Western hemisphere.
No. That's not what I said, or meant. Mexican immigration is the significant problem, unlike the the other geographic areas you mention. They are not, as is Mexico, on our Southern Border. Therefore, Mexico IS a special and unique situation whether we like it or not. It will require special measures to resolve.
Now I know a lot of people want to build a wall on our Southern Border and staff the North side with the military. That won't stop immigration, they'll still come by boat in the night or some other way. At the same time, a wall will create hatred and terrorists against the US on the Mexican side and a whole new group of Democrats on the American side. Build a wall and we'll have Democrats in the White House, Congress, half the states governors mansions and state houses.
The reality of Mexico is that it has become less than a foreign country, yet is more than a state. No other country has this particular reality. Mexico's unique proximity to the US is a fact we can't ignore. Once this is realized, the problems can begin to be solved.
No. I am not for amnesty or open borders, which would be your next question if you chose to reply. The US needs to set parameters for Mexico and Mexicans to meet that will provide the security that the US must demand because of terrorists and still provide Mexican labor to legally access the American labor market.
A Mexican serving in Iraq would have the same wait in the same situation. Your scenario is like comparing apples to fish.
You have missed the point, the border is not tight.
No, you missed the point, it's NEVER going to be tight. So now what do you do now?
Since you are pandering for votes, when does family values stop?
By limiting statute and DNA.
You may be willing to sell out this country for votes for the Republican party, but I won't.
If you would have said that to me in a bar, you would have to eat soup for a month.
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