A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide

NY Times ^ | November 28, 2004 | STEPHEN KINZER and MONICA DAVEY

[neverdem]

Ultimately, this is another legacy of the useful idiots, regardless of the guilt or innocence of the accused. IIRC, the party line was that the US was in Vietnam just to exploit natural resources, especially oil and natural gas.

[ClearCase_guy]

"There's an expectation that the Hmong-American community ought to be answerable, or ought to be responsible for this one man's action."

Fueled, perhaps, by senseless headline writers? The case could be a single lunatic shooting at a group of hunters -- or it could be a "clash of cultures" in which one culture likes to hunt deer, and the other culture likes to shoot at groups of hunters.

I'm betting on the single lunatic theory, but the newspaper wants me to think that this Hmong was somehow "a representative of his culture", I guess.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Ping for your list.

[irish guard]

OOooooh, this is about cultures colliding!!!

All the while I thought it was about an a$$hole who was hunting on someone else's property and when asked to leave murdered 6 people.....

So its about culture not murder?...whew, was I ever wrong.

[Ladysmith]

Ping.

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[Ladysmith]

Thanks, Toodles.

[JeeperFreeper]

This article is a classic lesson in why reading the N.Y. Slimes is virtually an act of mental masturbation. One man murders 6 others. The Slimes then publishes an article about the hurt feelings of an ethnic group without one single verifiable insult to the ethnic group and glosses over the murder of 6 people.

[OldFriend]

Wonder what culture is represented by shooting people in the back?

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This article is a classic lesson in why reading the N.Y. Slimes is virtually an act of mental masturbation

Absolutely! This article is a pathetic attempt to shift the blame from the perp to the Evil American culture.

Didn't I read that this poor, misunderstood murderer actually walked up to one of his still living victims, said "Oh, you're not dead yet", and fired again?

[Brad’s Gramma]

Didn't I read that this poor, misunderstood murderer actually walked up to one of his still living victims, said "Oh, you're not dead yet", and fired again?

Yes, you did.

[Dr.Syn]

The restrictions in this country have led to conflicts, with some white people complaining that Hmong people ignore or are unable to read fishing limits, clothing rules and permit requirements.

Maybe this should read:

When you are in America, you obey American law...even the yellow people.

[CaptainK]

The Times conveniently leaves out the 2 domestic violence calls that Mrs. Vang placed to 911.
Did she set him off by calling him an ethnic name?

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In three decades, St. Paul has drawn at least 25,000 Hmong immigrants, transforming it into what they call the Hmong capital of America. Even there, it has not always been an easy fit, with so many Hmong refugees arriving so rapidly, often with no English and little education or urban job skills. The Hmong are from large farming families from Laos, where the Central Intelligence Agency recruited many of them to be part of an anti-Communist secret army during the Vietnam War.

The northernmost edges of Wisconsin, meanwhile, are made up mostly of people of European descent. Many come from Scandinavian, German, Czech and French Canadian backgrounds

Anyone have any doubt about which group the NYTimes thinks shoud be forced to change?

[Ptarmigan]

Chai Vang is a monster plain and simple. He should rot in Hell. I am Asian and I never encounter any real racial tensions in my life. Too many other things to worry about. Heck, I went to one of the frat parties, which was accused of racism at UT-Austin, the gin and rum party. I never encountered any racial problem and I was the only Asian there. It seems like racial problem are in the blue states.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

[AirForceMom]

I personally believe his story of having insults hurled at his is complete horsesh*t. Who in their right mind would do such a thing standing under someone who has a loaded rifle??
Sounds like something the POS's lawyer 'suggested" to him.

[AirForceMom]

his-him

[JeeperFreeper]

I suspect your right or that the shooter has concocted this story to try to justify , at least in his own mind, his actions. I think alcohol is going to be found to play a role here as well.
P.S. I read somewhere that the shooter was a recent convert to islam.Is this true or do I now just expect muslims to randomly kill people over minor slights?

[AirForceMom]

I had head that too, I don't know if it has been verified.