[Clive]

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[swilhelm73]

Hmm, if they were men, they wouldn't be in Canada now would they?

If one really feels that the WoT is somehow wrong and should not be fought even though you volunteered to fight by joining the military then you need to say so in front of a court martial.

[Ben Chad]

Canada: We want you to keep them.

[Red6]

Other than honorable.

6 months prison.

Felony record.

Public humilation with faces on TV.

That's fair I think. It's important to make it understood that such behavior is NOT tollerated. Don't sign a legal contract if you don't intend on holding up your side.

Red6

[SkyPilot]

We have an all volunteer force. These men are nothing but cowards. To heap insult on top of injury, these vermin besmirch the uniform and honor of those brave lads who are fighting, bleeding, and dying overseas as I type this.

They are not "conscientious objectors"---they simply have no conscious.

[Red6]

"When the Soviets invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia and murdered so many of their people, when half of Europe was imprisoned, when grotesque terrorist movements were sponsored and trained, there were no mass demonstrations in Canada or calls to indict assorted Soviet bosses.

Similarly with China and its rape of Tibet and subjugation of its own people. Maoist leaders visited Canada and only members of the Chinese diaspora protested. The Canadian left and its media representatives found these various Marxist thugs to be meaningful rather than monstrous.”


We won't bomb them. Libya may, so the appeaser is always a loud mouth with those he feels safe with. Other examples, France and how they tap dance with Moslem fundamentalists. Germany and its dealing with Libya or Iran. They are more cautious with them than with us, because we won't have guys with vests blowing up airports or planes if we’re mad at them. Is it even in our own interest to economically hurt the “Axis of weasels”? No. We have the same geopolitical interests and are economically tied together.

The best example is in the book “We Were Soldiers Once And Young”. The airevac pilot who became mad at the commander for asking him to fly into a hot LZ. He had more courage with his peer and fellow American than in face of the enemy. It’s easy to do this and I think nations get this way collectively.

(Not you personally) Would demonstrating against beheadings in Iraq be cool? Would it change anything? And if you went to Iraq and confronted them, would it be safe? But if you spit in a soldiers face, no danger. In fact if he hits you you can get HIM in trouble. You may even be popular with your friends in the early 70s. "Man you really showed him". And our government IS influenced by what the people want. Sad how that works.

Red6

[leadpenny]

"Music-like men"

Is that the same thing as, "Clinton-like girlie boys?"

[G.Mason]

"They may go to prison for a while and then receive a dishonourable discharge from the armed forces. One would have thought that any person with principles would welcome such a fair conclusion."

This is satire, right?

[Khurkris]

Damn good find Clive. Thanks.

[streetrepair]

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"Appropriate because they were, indeed, members of the American military. They may go to prison for a while and then receive a dishonourable discharge from the armed forces. One would have thought that any person with principles would welcome such a fair conclusion."

Say what?!

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"I happen to be opposed to the war in Iraq, but that is not the point."

Of course it's the point.

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"It's particularly troubling because there are thousands of deserving refugee claimants, many of them black and brown and poor, who are desperate to enter Canada and who face torture and execution in their homelands."

Outright lie. "Homelands" refers, in part, to the United States, based on what is all said in the article. Blacks here in America face TORTURE under the U.S. gov't?

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"Their welcome has never been as generous as that given to people who run away from the United States."

Very few run away from the United States. I see a lot of folks trying to get into the U.S. but I don't see too many people already here who are anxious as hell to leave.

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"And it is this attitude, surely, that characterizes the hostility being directed towards President Bush as he prepares to visit Canada."

No, the attitude demonstrated in Canada towards the American President exists because Canada is overrun by socialists.

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"It may well be that Bush's foreign policy is unfair and unwise but that has relatively little to do with it."

Therefore socialism = good; liberating millions of people and spreading freedom and liberty throughout the world = bad. Okay.

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"I'd like to sound more understanding, I really would, but the evidence does not allow me such an indulgence."

Sure you'd like to sound more understanding. Shut the f/uck up you stupid, arrogant Canadian a$$hole.

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"Canada's immigration policy, for example, was inherently racist for more than half a century. During these years the Americans opened their doors to people who because of their race or class were considered to be beneath Canadian standards."

Okay, the writer admits Canada's immigration policy is/was racist.

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"None of this makes Canada a bad country. It does, however, make Canada a lesser country."

Okay, now the writer condones "racism" on the part of Canada's gov't on all fronts.

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"American policies deserve to be criticized but only by those who have a moral right do so, based on their own consistency and integrity."

And Canada has a moral right to criticize American policies? Please, my side is starting to hurt from laughing so hard.

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"As for the American deserters, they can go home, face their punishment like men and then write best-selling books about the horror of it all. Books that will no doubt become best sellers in good old Canada."

This writer really is delusional. Such books would NOT become best sellers. None of these men would even be able to find a publisher.

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[DustyMoment]

As for the American deserters, they can go home, face their punishment like men and then write best-selling books about the horror of it all. Books that will no doubt become best sellers in good old Canada.

While I appreciate the writer's sentiments (other than his backhanded slaps at Bush and American policies), I would ask where this guy was during Vietnam when Canada welcomed America's deserters and runaways?

Talk about inconsistencies . . . . . .

[R. Scott]

I happen to be opposed to the war in Iraq, but that is not the point. The United States has a volunteer army and nobody is forced to serve. More than that, some of those applying for refugee status also volunteered for advanced units such as the airborne.

Enough said.

[Casloy]

They may go to prison for a while and then receive a dishonourable discharge from the armed forces.

I have an idea, let's make desertion the crime it used to be. How about 15 years or more at hard labor. Any effort to get into Canada by these scumbags is proof positive they are attempting to desert. They are lucky we don't follow the same rules we followed during the Civil War, where execution was not uncommon.

[TADSLOS]

Deserters, by definition, aren't men, they're cowards. We shouldn't expect them to act like men, and Canada is lesser for accepting them with open arms.

[ARridgerunner]

Good piece.

[VOA]

It's particularly troubling because there are thousands of deserving refugee claimants,
many of them black and brown and poor, who are desperate to enter Canada
and who face torture and execution in their homelands.

Their welcome has never been as generous as that given to people who run away
from the United States.

Hmmm...I thought I read at the outbreak of Coalition operations in Afghanistan
there were plenty of totally-undocumented folks showing up from
(presuably) Afghanistan at the Toronto airport.
And that they were being virtually automatic entry, housing and a gov. stipend?

Maybe the Candadian government has tightened up a bit on this?