Posted on 11/26/2004 10:09:05 PM PST by CHARLITE
Thanks for the ping!
I'm encouraged to see there are so many that "get" it.
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Ho boy, where to start?
1) When conflicts initiate between broad communities, one of the biggest ifficulties is getting the community to wake up and realize the threat and move to address it. One way of doing this is to demonize and dehumanize the opposing community.
The main drawback to this approach is that, while it works well usually, it also unites the opposition who use your hyperbole to unite their own ranks.
Right now, most well informed moderate muslims, whom the MSM ignore but are out there, are on our side for the most part. But if you paint with a broad brush a picture of Islam as a cult and inherently evil, then you will lose these people.
What sense does that make, to unite an opposing community against you? Despite the fact that it might make you feel good to call them names, it is a poor tactic and increases the likelihood of a long drawn-out unending conflict that we cant win because the Democratic West has never been tolerant of long conflicts. It also costs us far more to respond tothese attacks than it costs the ISlamofascists to launch them, so it is a horrid ratio of resources.
The cheapest and most cost efficient means of defeating the Islamofascists is to recognize that not all of them (in fact the vast majority) do not want to engage in a Jihad against the West.
2) When you attack all of Islam as an evil cult, you also engage in *hate* speech that the left will use to stifle your expression, depict you as racist Nazis or Christian fundamentalist zealots and you will alienate many moderate Americans also.
Getting the public to stick to fighting this very necesary war is hard enough without also throwing away the moral high ground by lowering our cause to religious crusading. If we do this, the public will abandon the war within 5 years if it takes even that long.
3) By alienating the Islamofascists from the moderate Islamic majority, you decrease their resources which flow from these people in the form of institutional charity. But if you attack all Islam as an evil cult, you will open the flood gates of funds and resources to groups like al Qaeda.
4) This kind of rhetoric will also undermine support for the democratic Iraqi government who needs to winthe hearts and minds of their people. In fact, were I some Arabic prince, dictator or Islamofascist, I would be trying to instigate the exact kind of hatred that is being expressed on this thread. That is why they bomb civilians, comit acts of terrorism and behead civilians - it is to provoke us into rage and indiscriminate revenge which will aid them in uniting the 'Umma' against the 'infidel'.
Why help them to achieve their goal?
How much more counter-productive can one be than to unite ones opposition, divide ones support and then increase the resources available to one enemy as well?
It borders on basic incompetence and incredulous foolishness.
Please, if you want to win the war on Terror, then *focus* your mind, expression and effort on defeating the Islamofascists and NO ONE ELSE.
Yes it is a great article and I am preaching to the choir here for the most part but we will have to rid America of islam. Muslims and their devil worshiping religion cannot coexist with other peaceful religions, not in America, not in Europe, Africa, the far east nor the middle east because they will kill each other if they cannot kill nonmuslims.
"The European nations are no longer Christian is any sense. They have gone so far as to purposely exclude God from their new constitution.
It is my opinion that Europe's departure from an active and living Christian faith is the real reason for the crisis with Islam which they presently face.
Secularism can't conquer Islam."
Amen!
And hatred cannot either.
Love for the innocent is our best weapon agaisnt our enemy, believe it or not.
Why not explore Islam for yourself so you know what you're dealing with before taking the traditonal centrist's position and that might...just might...
...be completely inappropriate in this situation.
Open your ears at this forum and you will hear from some people that know a great deal about this subject.
You will find they are willing to listen...once you have done your homework.
It is obvious you don't know the Qur'an or the life of Mohammed. The fundamentalists are adhering to the core of Islam and the moderates are ones considered heretics...
I appreciate your advice.
I did explore Islam, read teh Quran and outlined it, met with many Muslims and observed them in prayer and worship.
I find alot of beauty in Islam, though they err on the nature of Christ and the matter of His death and resurection.
The Islamofascists are perverting Islam and they are indeed horrid monstrosities worthy of the death we should give them if they do not change their violent ways.
But whether I am right about the problem being ISlamitself or not, by extending the olive branch once the sword has done its work, we can mold a new view of Islam, perhaps, though I think this version of ISlam already does exist and is the main stream.
We should nopt forget that the reaction of most Muslims in Muslim countries is due to the propaganda of their totalitarian governments who are the ones who truly hate the Democratic West for obvious reasons. They especially do not want a Democratic Iraq to ever succede.
Why help them in their goals by demonstrating that their claims of Western hatred for them are right?
Great post!
And another problem with what many want to do, which is essentially to discriminate against a MAJOR world religion in the most broad and sweeping manner, is that it LAYS THE FOUNDATION FOR USING SUCH MEASURES AGAINST THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AS WELL! ! !
If we clear the road for disenfranchising Muslims, then the secularists will have the legal means, pretext and precedent to do this same thing to us later and it can be over almost any topic from contrived health issues to child abuse for teaching that homosexuality is wrong.
We really do NOT want to go down this road.
We hate Islam because it is evil at its core.
It condones death for Jews and Christians, the enslavement of women, the molestation of young boys by imams, the mutilation of girls, death to the victims of rape (not the perpetrator...just the women), the penalty for critical examination or criticism of Islam is death (poor Salman Rushdie), and if a persons decides to leave this religion, the penalty is death.
This is just for starters...
It is a religion that believes that it is acceptable to lie to non-believers, particular if they can be coaxed into believing (sounds like you).
Tell me, which part of the above is acceptable to you?
Excellent article.
It will likely be a lot more than 3000 next time. There certainly is bound to be a next time.
At a pianfully slow and plodding pace. If it's taking us this long to take out Iraq, how long will it take us to defeat the Islamonazis in Iran, then Syria, then Egypt, then Saudi, then Indonesia, then the Philippines, then Chechnya...
Geez Louise, if we were serious about fighting and winning this war, we'd have long ago put out the call for 2 million volunteers, rebuild the military that Klinton destroyed, then repeat World War 2, using Israel as England, the Jordan River as the Channel, and Jordan itself as Normandy. Until we get serious about fighting, defeating and demoralizing our enemy, the war will go on...and on...and on...
The only way we're gonna win this thing is to pound and pulverize them so badly that for generations to come they'll tremble and wet their dirty night shirts at the very mention of the word "America". But we need leadership that knows how to fight a world war to do that.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
"Holland and Sweden are the 2 most liberal, progressive societies on the planet. If they are having the problems we are reading about and seeing on FNC..."
This is no coincidence. "Liberal, progressive societies" are sitting ducks for the Islamic infestations. They have voluntarily suspended critical judgment in favor of a mindless ideology which ultimately leads to self-destruction.
Whether they can retrieve their cultural integrity is an open question. If they are unwilling, for example, to shed blood for their nations, then it is too late-- they are goners.
Nail on head!
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