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To: ArmedNReady
If what you say is true, why has this terrorist religion gone unnoticed until recent times? Why have governments throughout the world allowed them in to practice their hatred? Surely there would have been car bombs and be-headings years ago in the US and Europe! I can't see all Muslims as the Bin Laden, Zarcowi type... these are crazy hate filled people and not indicative of mainstream religion.

I still believe that it's not the actual religion that is the problem but how it is used by people. For example, in the Bible, Jesus talked about being a warrior and he even violently disrupted the money lenders in the temple... but does that give Christians a right to start blowing up financial buildings like the Twin Towers! No. This would be a very perverted strain of Christianity. Most religious texts are open to interpretation. Though I take your word that there is a reference "to conquer the world by forced submission and murder," it seems that this reference can be used in the wrong context.

Just as there are strains in Christianity that have perverted Christ's message, eg., the Victory Church with its emphasis on money, there is always the real possibility for abuse and misinterpretation in any religion. It seems that the insane fundamentalists have hijacked this religion. But that doesn't mean that there are no noble and time-honored truths or that people can't find a spiritual fulfillment that doesn't mean blowing up other people. Even though you are armNready lets not throw out the baby with the bath water.
88 posted on 11/27/2004 10:18:55 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones
It seems that the insane fundamentalists have hijacked this religion.

It is obvious you don't know the Qur'an or the life of Mohammed. The fundamentalists are adhering to the core of Islam and the moderates are ones considered heretics...

89 posted on 11/27/2004 10:23:53 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Great post!

And another problem with what many want to do, which is essentially to discriminate against a MAJOR world religion in the most broad and sweeping manner, is that it LAYS THE FOUNDATION FOR USING SUCH MEASURES AGAINST THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AS WELL! ! !

If we clear the road for disenfranchising Muslims, then the secularists will have the legal means, pretext and precedent to do this same thing to us later and it can be over almost any topic from contrived health issues to child abuse for teaching that homosexuality is wrong.

We really do NOT want to go down this road.


92 posted on 11/27/2004 10:29:11 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Rather than continue to present your ignorance of this cult, how about reading the first 9 chapters of the koran and then coming back and telling us whether or not you believe UBL is actually perverting the teachings of islam, or following them.

Unlike most moslems, I have read some of the koran and was thoroughly disgusted by it. It, islam, thrives on ignorance and deception, do your homework. UBL is a true follower of islam. Islam commands moslems to kill Jews, Christians and non-moslems. Jesus Christ commands me to love my enemies. There is no comparision.


106 posted on 11/27/2004 11:55:27 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: Blind Eye Jones
For example, in the Bible, Jesus talked about being a warrior...

Care to quote an actual passage from the New Testament?

107 posted on 11/27/2004 11:57:52 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: Blind Eye Jones

"the insane fundamentalists have hijacked this religion"

That's what they are trying to do.
That's why we need the help and cooperation of muslims in order to win this WOT. W need them to condemn and get rid of the radical extremists.


115 posted on 11/27/2004 12:19:51 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Blind Eye Jones
But that doesn't mean that there are no noble and time-honored truths or that people can't find a spiritual fulfillment that doesn't mean blowing up other people. Even though you are armNready lets not throw out the baby with the bath water.

The noble truths of Islam are for the Muslim Ummah. The Muslim community. How Muslims act towards others is another thing apart from how they treat others and make Jihad on others.

You should read up on the life of Muhammad because all Muslims are supposed to emulate it. The core of Islam is that the faithful Muslim must copy the life of Muhammad who is the most perfect man ever to trod this earth. Muhammad preached very nice ideas when his movement was weak. The latter part of his life was that of an assassin, murderer and warlord. The "nice" Muslims you meet are in denial about the part of Muhammad's life as a mass killer. They will tell you Muhammad only fought wars of self defense.

 

Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the religion's sole prophet, Islam’s solitary example, Allah’s lone conduit. Without Muhammad, Allah, the Qur’an, and Islam would be unknown. Yet the picture the Islamic scriptures paint of this man is not flattering; his words aren’t believable. According to the Qur’an and Hadith, Muhammad was a thief, rapist, and terrorist. It’s hardly the example you’d want your neighbor to emulate.

 

Muhammad, Allah, Mecca, and the formation of Islam are completely unknown to secular history. All we know of them is derived from the Qur’an and Hadith. The earliest and most important collection of Hadith is called the Sira, or Biography. Compiled by Ibn Ishaq, the Sira provides the only written account of this man, his god, place and religion within two centuries of his death. There is no other valid source from which Muhammad can be seen, or Islam can be interpreted, differently.

To write Prophet of Doom, I analyzed the Sira, the Ta’rikh, or History of al-Tabari, and the topical Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim. Using Islam’s most holy books I was able to reorder the Qur’an chronologically and set it into the context of Muhammad’s life. The result is bone chilling. The depiction of the prophet by the most revered Muslim sources reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They confirm that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life, we find that Allah mirrored his prophet's character. Muhammad's god condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures. [Continue ...]
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

 


143 posted on 11/27/2004 4:07:47 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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