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Why Islam Really Hates the West
Strategy Page ^ | November 24, 2004 | Unattributed

Posted on 11/24/2004 2:06:56 PM PST by quidnunc

Moslems are beginning to change their attitudes towards Islamic terrorism. That’s a major step forward in the war against terror. In the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks, opinion surveys throughout the Moslem world revealed that a third of Moslems thought the attacks were justified, and two thirds believed that no Moslems were involved. Moreover, two thirds believed that the attacks were carried out by Western intelligence services (those of Israel, the United States and Britain being most often mentioned.) This thinking led to the belief that the American “war on terror” was, in reality, a premeditated war on Islam. Yes, most Moslems believed that the Westerners would slaughter thousands of their own people just to provide an excuse for a war on Islam.

But there are two other aspects to this that often get overlooked. First, in most Moslem countries, the general attitude towards science and reason is subordinate to fantasy and speculation. A quick glance at Western media would remind us that fantasy and speculation is alive and well here as well. But in Moslem nations, fantasy and speculation is dominant in the news. This was long a secret known only to a few diplomats and sociologists (and the U.S. Army Special Forces, which has more Arab speakers than the State Department.) But the Internet now provides English language versions of media in Moslem nations, and this allows anyone to go see for themselves just how different the news reporting and interpretation is over there.

Finally, we have the Moslem clergy. These guys are the major source of hatred for the West in the Moslem world. The reason is simple. Most Moslems, especially young ones, when exposed to Western culture, begin to question their faith. Islam (which means “submission”) demands blind acceptance of Islamic religious practices and beliefs. Moslems believe that Islam is the final stage of the religion that originated with the Jews and was modified by the followers of Jesus. Islam is the end of the road, and there is no room for change. …


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; islam; lunaticmuslims; napalminthemorning; paranoidmuslims; religionofpeace; schizophrenicmuslims; thewest; wot
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To: weenie

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41 posted on 11/24/2004 3:43:47 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: joesnuffy

Whoops...forgot to add 'sarcasm' to my comment. Of course his original assumption was correct. Somewhere it is written mohammad contemplated suicide to still the voices. Wish he had.


42 posted on 11/24/2004 3:45:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: bikepacker67

And we are going to have to do it in a big way so that they know that to "F" with us means instant death,


43 posted on 11/24/2004 3:49:11 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Seriously, without oil, even the shieks would be living in tents and herding goats.

The Arabs are OK if they would just stay in the desert with their oil.

44 posted on 11/24/2004 3:50:13 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Fred Nerks
The imams know the danger of losing control over the next generation.

Much has been made about how the 9/11 hijackers partied, drank alcohol, consorted with women and then went off to jihad.

It was explained to me from a Christian born Syria that after some of these people live in the west for a while and enjoy the decadence of our society they are more susceptible to being radicalized.

The imams get a hold of them and lay on a huge guilt trip. In other religions if you sin you ask God for forgiveness, repent and you are good to go. In Islam, Allah is not so forgiving, actions are all that count.

Thus, one act of jihad can wipe away a lifetime sin and decadence.

It’s a sad facet of this situation, but an important element of understand how their minds work and what can lead well educated, seemingly westernized moderate to despicable acts of hatred.

45 posted on 11/24/2004 3:53:17 PM PST by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
What the Hell does Epilepsy have to do with evil?

He was just describing that animal and it's alleged work of fiction. Epilepsy was just part of the description in addition to evil.

This forum is no place for ignorance like this remark!

That's a lot better than this forum being no place for the accuracy of that remark.

46 posted on 11/24/2004 4:02:47 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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Islam Faces a New Era
Civilization magazine (via the Wayback Machine) ^ | 1999 | Munawar A. Anees
Posted on 11/21/2004 11:51:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285400/posts


48 posted on 11/24/2004 4:20:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: quidnunc

Well, I'm personally concerned that they feel this was....
here is MY apology to them...

http://www.catsprn.com/letter_of_apology.htm


49 posted on 11/24/2004 4:22:39 PM PST by Baytovin
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To: usurper
"Thus, one act of jihad can wipe away a lifetime of sin and decadence."

I read you loud and clear. This might be one of the reasons why so many converts to islam are from the prison population and numerous 'drop-kicks' (aussie expression) anti-socials and anarchists living on welfare, are prepared to enlist and carry out violent acts against their own society.

We have one locked up in gaol, married to an Indonesian woman, who admitted to various terror plots and visits to Bin Laden in Afghanistan. A migrant from Britain, he was planning an attack on the 2000 Olympic Games.

More recently, bail has been refused for 'Jihad Jack' who is awaiting sentence. Also married to an Indonesian woman. Same MO. Sold his soul for money and airplane tickets to visit with jihad big-wigs overseas. Yes, islam attracts the most foul, 'useful idiots' who would kill their own kin.

But meanwhile, islam loses its own children. The guilt-trips don't work with young folk who go to school with 'kuffar' children. They grow up and want to marry 'kuffar' people...and islam can't kill them all under the guise of 'honour killing' or accusations of apostasy. The clerics are very concerned.

This isn't an answer to what ails us as we attempt to live with these people...or convince our governments we want no more mooselimb immigration...but it's a good start. IMO.

As to 'what can lead well educated, seemingly westernized moderate to despicable acts of hatred' that's something that has fascinated me for a long time.Even after 20 years in a country, financially successful folk who have everything to lose, chose to leave their family behind, and become jihadi's. Sometimes I wonder if allah, paradise and virgins or 'forgiveness for sins' has anything to do with it at all. The opportunity to be seen as a 'warrior' by ones peers and the promise of travel etc...might just be less boring and more macho than going to work?
50 posted on 11/24/2004 4:34:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Baytovin

I'm sorry, too. Sorry just like you said it.


51 posted on 11/24/2004 4:39:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Stopislamnow
They forget the fact that the Koran is a vile, evil book written by a insane epileptic pedophilic murderer.

Don't hold back so much. Tell us what you really think. :)

52 posted on 11/24/2004 5:33:59 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: Noachian

I did hold back. When I unleash it, mods spank me.


53 posted on 11/24/2004 5:39:53 PM PST by Stopislamnow (This tagline a victim of humorless busybodies.)
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To: johnb838
It's a cult not a religion. Mostly Always spread through conquest and intimidation.
54 posted on 11/24/2004 5:44:08 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Stopislamnow
I did hold back. When I unleash it, mods spank me.

LOL

55 posted on 11/24/2004 5:56:05 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: ken5050

LOL ! But let's give'm the exploding type of batteries.


56 posted on 11/24/2004 6:48:05 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"What the Hell does Epilepsy have to do with evil?"

Calm down. It is widely thought that Mo was possibly an epileptic because he'd go into long drawn-out trances, have strange visions, etc.
57 posted on 11/24/2004 8:41:23 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I am beginning to become very short tempered with respondents who identify personally with comments that relate to the psychology/mental state of the 'prophet' - those who do so obviously have not bothered to read anything about the foul creature, nor have they absorbed much of what is continuously written here by posters who attempt to explain this particular issue; that mohammad was at the very least, if not outright insane, suffering from a major personallity disorder. That much is evident from a reading of the koran and hadith alone.
Any biography from a Western source (as against the islamic which gilds the lily) clearly shows, substatiated via ancient arabic sources, the man was schizophrenic, not 'divine' as claimed by his followers.
Hitler was a vegetarian. Are vegetarians upset when this is pointed out?


58 posted on 11/24/2004 9:14:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Fred Nerks

substantiated...spell correction.


59 posted on 11/24/2004 9:15:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: quidnunc

Why Islam Really Hates the West
Strategy Page ^ | November 24, 2004 | Unattributed


And Unattributed for a very good reason. If I were to write this kind of narrow viewed drivel I wouldn't want anyone to know my name either.
Example: "Yes, most Moslems believed that the Westerners would slaughter thousands of their own people just to provide an excuse for a war on Islam."


60 posted on 11/24/2004 9:22:26 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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