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Suspect says hunters provoked him; Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 11/23/04 | JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD

Posted on 11/23/2004 11:17:04 AM PST by whodeani

Suspect says hunters provoked him

Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at before shootings

By JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD jdiedrich@journalsentinel.com Posted: Nov. 23, 2004

Hayward - The suspect arrested for shooting eight hunters, killing six of them, says he was surrounded by the group, called derogatory racial names and shot at before he opened fire, according to court records released today.

His account differs sharply from details released Monday by the Sheriff's Department and from the accounts from some of the victims, who describe an essentially unprovoked shooting rampage by Chai Soua Vang, a 36-year-old Hmong man from St. Paul, Minn.

Vang, a truck driver, is suspected in the slayings of six hunters and the wounding of two others, according to a probable cause determination signed by Judge Norman L. Yackel here this morning.

Vang is being held on $2.5 million cash bail.

Officials said the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office will prosecute the case, because of its scope and complexity.

Meanwhile, The two survivors continued to improve, officials said.

Terry Willers, the first hunter shot who was hit in the neck, was upgraded from serious to fair at St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield today.

Lauren Hesebeck, 48, was released from the hospital Monday night before 9 p.m. He was shot in the shoulder.

Theresa Hesebeck, also the sister of Denny Drew, who died Monday night, said the family was trying to regroup on Tuesday morning and that her husband was recovering at home.

"Your place is at home at a time like this," she said.

The couple have a blended family that includes seven children.

David Drew, a brother of Denny Drew, said Tuesday he was trying to come to grips with the death of his brother and close friends.

A prayer vigil is set for 7 tonight at the Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Haugen, where three of the victims lived.

Complete coverage of this story will appear online later today and in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in the morning.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; deerstand; hunting; vang; wihunters
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To: JLO
Maybe you've never seen a tree stand. One cannot be 'pushed and shoved' off it. He willingly left the tree stand, walked 40 yards away, turned back and fired.

I know what a tree stand is I'm a hunter, when he got down we don't know what all took place...

181 posted on 11/23/2004 1:34:11 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: bboop

"His culture" is, of course, "your culture". Fellow has been here since he was a child.


182 posted on 11/23/2004 1:34:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: PhotoFixer3
Th at would piss me off to and I would have slaughtered them also

You have problems.

183 posted on 11/23/2004 1:35:02 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: PhotoFixer3
A fellow who's just been shot is going to hunt around and retrieve a shell casing from wherever it happened to land in dry leaves and underbrush, anywhere from 6-10 feet away and in a fairly random direction? Or one of his buddies is going to stop to hunt for brass before he runs through the woods in an unsuccessful attempt to escape death?

Or perhaps you are suggesting that law enforcement is in on this conspiracy you are dreaming up, and hates the Hmong so much that they are framing the guy by picking up the victims' brass?

I understand having the courage of your convictions, but this is silly.

184 posted on 11/23/2004 1:36:25 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Dr Snide
I don't agree with the "racial tension" premise at all.

Well... I am just taking a hunters word for it that I heard on the radio, now Vang has said as much in this article... I never hunted in MN im new to this state... All my hunting was in Indiana..

185 posted on 11/23/2004 1:36:28 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: whodeani

We don't know where their guns were. Do you? This factoid has yet to show up in the press.


186 posted on 11/23/2004 1:36:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
your wrong about the SKS

www.impactguns.com

187 posted on 11/23/2004 1:37:29 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: PhotoFixer3
That would piss me off to and I would have slaughtered them also.

This is over the line. You are a very sick individual and are projecting your homicidal fantasies onto this incident.

Seek help now before you kill somebody. I am not kidding.

188 posted on 11/23/2004 1:37:59 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: fortunecookie

BTW, the guy had a Wisconsin deer hunting licese. In fact, you wear your license number on your back. His was there. That's how he got IDd and then caught by other hunters.


189 posted on 11/23/2004 1:38:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I know the Army did not lose the Vietnam war.
I was being ironic.


191 posted on 11/23/2004 1:39:22 PM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: wideawake
You have problems.

If someone was shooting at you wouldn't shoot back?

192 posted on 11/23/2004 1:39:46 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: Dog Gone

I wont read the whole thread but I have to ask. Did someone throw a cup of beer at him? That is total disrespect and if you are a minority you have the right to do almost anything if a white person calls you a name, calls your mom a name, calls your homies a name, throws a cup of beer on you, looks at you without averting their eyes or stops you from commiting a crime that noone else will commit.


193 posted on 11/23/2004 1:39:51 PM PST by winodog (We need to water the liberty tree)
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To: ArrogantBustard
BTW, he was in a deer stand ~ I doubt it was posted, or that there was an assertion of ownership. Further, the area is nearly surrounded by public lands that are open to hunting. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he knew he was on private property.

It is the landowner's responsibility to both post and fence his property to deter purposeful entry by others.

Now, let me ask you, where is the 12 foot high fence around the place to keep people from just wondering in?

Bet it's not there. Bet someone likes deer to wonder in from the surrounding publicly owned game areas.

194 posted on 11/23/2004 1:41:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: winodog
I wont read the whole thread but I have to ask. Did someone throw a cup of beer at him?

ROFL!

195 posted on 11/23/2004 1:41:23 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dr Snide

I concur. The Hmong have been accepted quite well near my area. There are some who are active in gangs, but far fewer than other ethnic groups. The older Hmong still follow a tribal structure in which the elders are respected and honored. They are generally quite different from ethnic Vietnamese, who were not well received in my area (they all moved out of the area).


196 posted on 11/23/2004 1:41:27 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: AnAmericanMother

well if you don't know... most hunters use bolt action rifles... thus, it will not eject a round.. and it will hold the empty ihn the rifle... if the law did not check the rifle they would have never found the empty...


197 posted on 11/23/2004 1:42:05 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: PhotoFixer3
its hard to pick up a shell casing isn't it? the firearms should have been checked to see if they were fired!

You think the victims "policed up" the area while a homicidal maniac was laying down a barrage?

Get real.

As far as checking their gun to see if they were fired, I'll bet you a case of "uncle Jack's" finest that I can find 100,000 guns that have been "recently fired" on opening day in Wisconsin.

Regards,
GtG

198 posted on 11/23/2004 1:43:22 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: GingisK

Hmong - way high up on the list of "cultures that need to buy a vowel".


199 posted on 11/23/2004 1:43:31 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Ted, the ants are back.")
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To: AnAmericanMother
This is over the line. You are a very sick individual and are projecting your homicidal fantasies onto this incident. Seek help now before you kill somebody. I am not kidding.

IF someone shoots at me i'm going to protect myself... If someone breaks into my house I will kill them... simple...

200 posted on 11/23/2004 1:43:54 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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