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I posted this last year, but I thought it was worth posting again this year.
1 posted on 11/22/2004 9:31:01 AM PST by bobjam
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To: bobjam

I remember this from last year, and I think it's good to read it every year. Thanks.


2 posted on 11/22/2004 9:32:51 AM PST by EggsAckley (...............stop unnecessary excerpting.................)
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Why the Pilgrims Abandoned Communism

They didn't want to starve to death.

3 posted on 11/22/2004 9:35:09 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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It seems that most, if not all, groups/societies, have started out cummunal in nature.


4 posted on 11/22/2004 9:35:33 AM PST by stuartcr
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I agree that it was absolutely worth a re-post!
5 posted on 11/22/2004 9:36:17 AM PST by jdsteel
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Good article. Could be an annual tradition.


6 posted on 11/22/2004 9:38:59 AM PST by Maximilian
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I think there's a difference between what the pilgrims did and what Karl Marx proposed. The pilgrims pooled their resources together to help out the whole community and the people voted on their leaders every year, so they had a closer hand in what was happening. In theory, it was to help one another through their early harsh winters. Marx gave authority to an authoritarian state to run and redistribute wealth and sold the plan to the workers as a way to get their hands on something that wasn't theirs. But you're right. Collectivism and redistributed wealth never works because it takes away incentive. The Pilgrims discovered that early on and made the appropriate changes. Marx wanted to create a hierarchy where he would be one of the top few in command.


7 posted on 11/22/2004 9:43:03 AM PST by twigs
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Rush has this in his book, See, I Told You So. My family and I read the essay every year for the holiday.
8 posted on 11/22/2004 9:43:22 AM PST by MAEsser (Ok, now I have to go back and study...)
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Rush has something about this in his first book.


9 posted on 11/22/2004 9:48:53 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: bobjam

good post, I would encourage everyone to tune into Rush in the third hour on Wednesday, he'll read the real story of Thanksgiving that covers a good bit of this also.


13 posted on 11/22/2004 9:56:32 AM PST by WoodstockCat (W2 !!! Four more Years!!)
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To: bobjam

Always worth reading.

Nice to see schools hop right on board to tell this side of history (not).


14 posted on 11/22/2004 10:00:28 AM PST by AmericanChef
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You forgot to read FR regulation 34789306789345678923-23465789 which states; You may only post the same post every three thousand years or in a blue moon, whichever comes first.

I hope this clears it up for you.



15 posted on 11/22/2004 10:02:21 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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BTTT


16 posted on 11/22/2004 10:03:22 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Because it doesn't work. When people wake up and realize the masses are working their collective tails off so that the few can live like lazy kings, it ends.


17 posted on 11/22/2004 10:04:48 AM PST by marty60
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Socialism/Communism is at the very best a survival measure. The primary motivation for participation is that the group should live to see another day dawn. The problem arises when the group exceeds a level of subsistence where group and individual survival is no longer in question. At that point there is no reasonable motivation to surrender the products of one's efforts and toil to others who will do quite fine on their own.

Such communal resolve serves it's purpose at times. In early Neolithic communities, it was perhaps the only viable manner in which to exist. During severe warfare, socialistic tendencies arise in societies as a means of mutual protection for the culture in question. However, it is an inadequate means to sustain a society outside of severe circumstances.

As a society evolves there is less and less a cohesive force to bind a community to such behavior. Self interest and individuality develop further and those who produced are more inclined to focus on their individual family groups rather than the community. The betterment of one's own family group overrides the need to improve the overall state of the community.

Thus the ideals of Capitalism are so appropriate for an evolving society. Performance and excellence are rewarded by the enhancement of the quality of life for the individuals family group. Returns of such wealth to the community are made on a voluntary basis, but not made on the basis of survival for the community itself.

In this environment, Socialism and Communism are societal poison. The redistribution of wealth earned by the individual done for no other need than perceived "fairness" destroys one's motivation to strive for and achieve excellence. Under such conditions implied by socialism, a society begins to decay.

The Pilgrims apparently understood this. For the survival of their culture, they progressed into a more suitable system to not only promote the survival of their society, but to raise it to a level still yet undreamed of in some parts of the world.

Thoughts?

18 posted on 11/22/2004 10:09:32 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: bobjam

To read later


19 posted on 11/22/2004 10:12:35 AM PST by It's me
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In the days of the Soviet Union there was a saying in Russion..."They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
20 posted on 11/22/2004 10:14:55 AM PST by The Duke
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I've talked at length to several people who lived at The Farm and other similar communal ventures in the '70s.

They all basically reported this same truth.


21 posted on 11/22/2004 10:25:53 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: bobjam

Always a good read.


22 posted on 11/22/2004 10:29:22 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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Communism is your basic MOB control... as is democracy...
No democracy ever created has NOT been a socialist system. Socialism is a symptom of democracy not the other way around.. Mob rule and Mob control are two sides of the same coin.. Communism "IS" socialism.. Socialism, communism and democracy are versions of the same thing and are mob control by mobsters that are all mobbed up.. The biggest Mob has the turf or consortium of mobs.. Like the Mafias "protection scam" they all return veritably nothing in return for your honor and courage.. The money paid is just a token of your cowardice.. for not revolting..

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx

23 posted on 11/22/2004 10:29:49 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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Make Plymouth read Plimouth.


24 posted on 11/22/2004 11:27:23 AM PST by truth_seeker
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