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"Village Academic File" (King David & Jonathan Were Homosexuals)
The Federalist Patriot ^ | Nov. 20, 2004 | Editor

Posted on 11/21/2004 11:36:13 AM PST by Lindykim

The University of Georgia's website features an official page titled "Religion and Homosexuality" insisting that the "Old Testament clearly indicates that King David had a homosexual relationship with Jonathan, the son of King Saul." We were unable to find that one in our KJV. The page also claims that until the Thirteenth Century, there was "no organized opposition to homosexuality" either from the church or from society in general. Wasn't the Bible written before the Thirteenth Century? Their answer is that "all English translations [of the Bible] have been deliberately mistranslated to make it appear that God condemned homosexuality." And on the basis of that ridiculous conspiracy theory, they also claim that "there is absolutely no condemnation of homosexuality in the Hebrew Old Testament [or]... in the Greek New Testament." Unfortunately, we didn't make this one up.


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KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; kingjameswasgay
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To: Steel Wolf

Even Richard Simmons?


21 posted on 11/21/2004 11:51:36 AM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Man...that's a lot of freakin' closets!


22 posted on 11/21/2004 11:53:53 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow (...still working on it...)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And sense everyone is "gay," no one can be a "homophobe!"

Aha! You've found the catch. Not everyone admits to being gay. 99% of Americans are gay and won't fess up. Those are the ones being homophobic. They don't want everyone else to know that they're gay. Oh, the irony!

23 posted on 11/21/2004 11:54:04 AM PST by Steel Wolf (There's only three kinds of people in this world...)
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To: Lindykim

"Sorry about that. Here's the link you want:
http://federalistpatriot.us/current/"

It's not at that link, either.

I did some research. This Safe Space thing is not an official body of the University of Georgia, but is, rather, a student organization, with offices off-campus.

Their website is hosted on the UGA site, but I could not find any links to it, until I did a search for safespace.

It is an error to suggest that this page is an official statement by UGA. It is not. Indeed the organization which published the page disclaims that, and says that the opinions on their page are not those of UGA.

We may decry this page, but to foist responsibility onto UGA is wrong. They are not the sponsors. There are many student organizations which are hosted on the UGA website. This is one of them.

The fact that UGA hosts the site does not mean that UGA officially approves of what is written there.

Once again, what is not said is at least as important as what is said.


24 posted on 11/21/2004 11:54:09 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Lindykim

that's going to be quite the conversation between The Ancient of Days and the University of Georgia on Judgement Day


25 posted on 11/21/2004 11:56:06 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish. / pay no attention to the primedial newscasts)
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To: Lindykim

CBS found a fax from King David proving this, no doubt.


26 posted on 11/21/2004 11:56:58 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Lindykim

Im'm sure the hate crimes laws protected gays in those days. Who are you morons fooling ? Yourselves !


27 posted on 11/21/2004 11:58:08 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: Lindykim

King James as in the King James of the King James Bible was also a Homosexual.


28 posted on 11/21/2004 12:00:28 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: Lindykim

I think I heard that King David and Jonathan had a homosexual orgy with Abe Lincoln and Alexander. Maybe Oliver Stone can do another porn movie about it.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 12:01:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lindykim

By the way, have the scumbags of the sodomy lobby found any great men in history who WEREN'T perverts like themselves?


30 posted on 11/21/2004 12:03:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Steel Wolf

As the Flinstones sing ... "We'll have a GAY OLE TIME!"


31 posted on 11/21/2004 12:04:18 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Lindykim
Was this stuff written by the same guy that wrote "The DaVinci Code"?
32 posted on 11/21/2004 12:06:32 PM PST by fella
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Can any alert readers remember when there was another article about this? It was within the last couple of weeks, IIRC.

"Gay" revisionist history and religion is one of the nastier offshoots of the "gay" agenda.

Must be stomped out with truth. Notice how any close friendship between people of the same sex has to be sexualized by perversion. In their miserable world view, love MEANS sex. But they don't even pretend to love - remember the article the other day about some party in Washington state where 60 - 80 men showed up, paying a certain amount of money, and then participated in anonymous orgies with numerous partners?

Even animals don't do that.

It is hateful that such miserable people want to pollute honest friendship with sexual perversion.

Let me and ItsOurTimeNow if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


33 posted on 11/21/2004 12:11:34 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Lindykim

The following organizations also have sites hosted on the UGA main website, along with the site mentioned in your post. Apparently the UGA hosts lots of organization's pages. That does not mean that it approves of their content. It is wrong to put the blame on UGA for what some organization posts on its hosted pages:




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INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE MISSION UGA CAMPUS CHAPTER: To promote education, prayer, and student activism towards God's call on His people to fight injustice around the world.
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34 posted on 11/21/2004 12:12:51 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Oops! You already pung it out. Really is a double ping this time.


35 posted on 11/21/2004 12:13:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Lindykim

The untranslated greek version is very clear on homosexuality.

Homosexuals are just practicing big lie theory. Goebles would be proud of his homosexual inheritors.


36 posted on 11/21/2004 12:19:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Lindykim
This sounds like it is based on a book by John Boswell (1947-1994), Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality. Boswell was a homosexual with an agenda...from what I've heard about the book, he engages in a lot of special pleading to try to get around inconvenient evidence...in other words, claiming that words don't mean what they appear to mean.

In I Kings 15.12, King Asa of Judah is praised for expelling the male shrine prostitutes from the land (NIV translation--the KJV has "sodomites").

37 posted on 11/21/2004 12:36:50 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: little jeremiah; All
Must be stomped out with truth. Notice how any close friendship between people of the same sex has to be sexualized by perversion.

How sick is the idea that Brotherly love means that you can't just love your brother but you are "in love with your brother"?. That's the logic of the average run of the mill homosexual. They cannot distinguish the difference between sex and love.

Jonathan and David 1 Samuel 18:3-4 "Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe (The robe was a royal garment and to give it to David adopted him into the royal family line) that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle." (All David had was a slingshot, these items were considered battle implements)

1 Samuel 20:41 "And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times:(The custom was to prostrate yourself to royalty) and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded."

Homosexual Theologians falsely teach that These Old Testament references prove God sanctions homosexual relationships. They claim that the word "exceeded" in the passage is taken from Hebrew verb which suggests orgasm. Again, this is a blatant attempt at twisting the context in order to prove the false as true. exceeded is the Hebrew gadal, which simply means to do more than. The verse means that David cried more than Jonathan, nothing more and nothing less. Both David and Jonathan were overjoyed at their reunion. The kiss was an ancient form of greeting, much like our handshake today (see Romans 16.16; 1 Corinthians 16.20; 2 Corinthians 13.12; 1 Thessalonians 5.26). There was no more sexuality expressed in this kiss than there is between two good friends who give one another a firm handshake or a quick brotherly hug. If both had been caught in homosexual acts they would have been quickly stoned (see Leviticus verses )as homosexuality was a CAPITAL CRIME, as they did not live in the age of Grace.

38 posted on 11/21/2004 12:43:30 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Thanks for the elucidation, just in case any readers were wondering about the exact words and what they *really* mean.


39 posted on 11/21/2004 12:54:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Lindykim

Alexander, Abraham Lincoln, now David.

Who's next -- John Wayne?

{{{sigh}}}


40 posted on 11/21/2004 12:55:47 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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