Fight Breaks Out Between South Carolina and Clemson Football Players

[Big Steve]

Anybody in the state of SOuth Carolina see the fight between South Carolina and Clemson football players?

[conservativeinferno]

the hip-hop culture breeds and promotes violence

[snopercod]

...just like in the Weimar Republic.

[DeaconBenjamin]

I've heard it said that no staff was lazier at recruiting than Spurrier's at Florida. That probably won't cut it at USC.

[4everontheRight]

Are you my husband pretending to be Moose4??? He is a life long Redskins fan (and lives in SC as well)...he said the same thing! Of course, now he is busy running down the Redskins quarterback so that keeps him off Spurier's a$$ this week!

[Dante3]

Unfortunately true.

There is a lack of good sportmanship. And if it is not a physical fight then its a lawsuit. I read about a little girl who won fair and square a while back a spot on the US Scholastic Chess Team. Then a foreign national schemed to get her off the team and wanted her replaced with another girl.

[aberaussie]

Cock-a-what??

If you are from SC, then you know as well as I do, that all the rest of that stuff does not matter...who wins the Clemson/SC game is all that counts. You can have a lousy rest of the season, and you win that, you're golden!

Tiger paws are classy, by the way. I have always been glad I don't have to say, "Go Cocks!" ;-)

[aberaussie]

I pointed this out on another thread. Land grant Colleges are where the little people go and are more conservative. Plus Clemson turns out among the finest engineers.

My husband graduated there with an engineering degree 26 years ago and has done very well. Our son started there this fall in engineering. He was pleasantly surprised at how conservative the campus is.

Conservative politics and great engineers - can't beat that!

[scornbread]

That fight shouldn't have happened, but it could have been a lot worse. None of the fans got involved. Just shows you that the fans down here have a little more class than some of those folks in Detroit. TIGERS 29-7!!!!! Contential Tire Bowl HERE WE COME....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo!

[PistolPaknMama]

Somebody really cares about fights between sports fans? The disillusioned bread and circus folks fighting the disillusioned bread and circus folks. With any luck they will all extinguish each other and colleges can get back to academics instead of whose got the best quarterback with a zero grade average and goes on to make a zillion dollars in the big league while having sex with squealing opportunists that clog our court systems and daytime TV. I could care less.

[PistolPaknMama]

Adults are setting such a fine example for the kids these days.

Right. All you gotta do is look at the kids these days and its not hard to figure out the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Had a long discussion with a 22 year old tonight who is still convince that Bill Clinton got a blow job and every other president did too. That was no reason for him to be impeached when the other presidents weren't. Heaven help us if these kids register to vote.

[PistolPaknMama]

What a wonderful way for "St" Lou Holtz to go out.

Since I'm not a sports fan the only thing I remember about him is that he yacked about trash on the highways. Law enforcement got all up in arms about highway trash. I never throw a thing out my window, but this dummy moved here and thought he could change things right off -- nevermind that the biggest pile of trash ever produced in his state occupied the whitehouse for 8 years, by default. Hopefully he'll go back to his own state and complain about his own trash and leave us alone.

[L`enn]

That won't cut it there. Florida did not have to recruit. They build up a reputation so they were a "selector". But if what you say is right, that makes sense that they were always just a hair behind FSU and UM.

[fso301]

Video please?

[cubreporter]

That you could even put Lou Holtz in the same category as Clinton and then call him a crook is unacceptable.

Lou Holtz is an honorable man and a good family man. Your remarks (in your opinion which you have the right to say) are (in my opinion which I have the right to say)are over the line.

[Mamzelle]

Cockaboose. Old Nortfolk Southern cabooses owned by the rich lawyers that ride in to games in Columbia and use them for party rooms. Ultimate tailgate status symbol--pimped-up prime... I think they're on USC property, I'm not sure.

[L`enn]

You are right in the sense that bending the recruiting/admission rules ( not unlike many others of his profession, and not being "caught") and being a vagabond coach is not illegal in anyway. Clinton was a crook. Holtz falls in a different category, not unlike the others I lumped him in with. Yes your opinion of the man and mine differ and there is corroboration to both accounts. But for the most part he is like Larry Brown, the media overlooks his warts because they are enamored with the man.

[L`enn]

ROFL remember Tonya Harding?

[L`enn]

Real sports and WWF have a common thread. Its all entertainment. The thing about this fight today, if it did not occur nobody would be talking about these two mediocre teams. Like the saying goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[Law is not justice but process]

I graduated Clemson in 1987 and went on to Duke for grad school. I remembered Clemson as a place where education was the primary goal of the university and Duke as a place where political correctness was the primary goal of the university. Sadly, the stories I hear from today's Clemson students sound more like Duke 1988 than like the Clemson I knew and loved. I fear the PC cancer is spreading (I dread to think what Duke must be like now).

By the way, I just came back from the game. The trouble started when Clemson ran down the hill and the Carolina players ran into the end zone to confront the Clemson players. Going past the 25 yard line itself, much less the goal line, should have been a penalty. They should have assessed a personal foul on South Carolina on the first play. Instead they called offsetting personal fouls and did nothing. This is not to say the Gameycocks are evil and the cause of the fight (even though they are and they were), but rather that the officials lost control of the game at that point. There was unnecessary roughness by both sides throughout the game, and nothing was done. There were confrontations between players throughout the game, and nothing was done to either side. Finally the fight comes along and what happens? Offsetting penalties. We in the crowd were embarrassed and booing the fight. But what would you expect from a bunch of 18 to 22 year old kids who are at a fever pitch of emotion over a huge rivalry game? The officials should have nipped it in the bud by assessing penalties for the confrontation at the hill and then ejecting players (from BOTH sides) if the confrontations continued. Then with the fight they should have ejected at least 5 players from each side to set an example. But they couldn't even bring themselves to do that. I have seen this sort of thing happen in courtrooms and classrooms when the judge or the teacher fail to take charge. This fight happened because the officials failed to take charge and send the message that fighting would not be tolerated.

And contrary to reports, Lou Holtz did little or nothing to break up the fights. His players ran right past him to get into the fray. The troopers came from the sidelines and separated the teams, and then the Carolina players mobbed the troopers! Lou Holtz had zero control over his team. It was the more level headed of the Carolina players that ended the fray with the troopers, with the help of a very large and imposing member of the Death Valley sideline staff.

[Mo1]

Like the saying goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

I may be talking about it

But there ain't a chance in heck I'm going to watch or go to their games

When they start acting like adults and respecting the game again .. Then I'll reconsider