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1 posted on 11/20/2004 7:12:41 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin

didja hear that joke about the old american that visited france?

he's asked for his passport by a french airport official who remarks, "you americans should know that when you come to france you have to show your passport".

the american replies, "the last time i was here was on omaha beach and there weren't any french men in sight".


2 posted on 11/20/2004 7:17:33 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: Valin
Absolutely accurate. When that fifth column couples with the appeasement gene, it's all over for Europe and we will be facing a nuclear armed adversary.
3 posted on 11/20/2004 7:19:03 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Three choices: Defeat Islam, submit, or die.)
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To: Valin
...while the values divide between Europe and America may be growing, it is not because America is growing more religious. Rather, it is because Europe has all but abandoned the religious heritage that has served as the moral foundation of Western Civilization for two millenia. Europeans are free, of course, to take their moral guidance from Marx, Nietzsche, Sartre, and Derrida rather than Moses and St. Paul, but they are not entitled to embrace nihilism and hedonism as their new religion and then accuse Americans of changing...

Americans continue to cling to old verities of natural law and natural rights, not least of which is the supreme demand for government based on the consent of the governed. It is precisely the connection between consent on one hand and accountability and legitimacy on the other that causes Americans to prefer fealty to their Constitution over international organizations. We can hold George Bush (or Tom Daschle) accountable, but how can we hold accountable Kofi Annan or Hans Blix?...

Altogether, Europeans have effectively removed themselves from Christendom while surrendering their sovereignty and much of the basis of their liberty. It is Europeans who have stopped having children and who have instead opened the floodgates to a potentially decisive fifth column of anti-Western immigrants; Europeans who have adopted the historically novel view that diplomacy with tyrants can succeed in the absence of a credible threat of force.

Very well stated.

4 posted on 11/20/2004 7:22:07 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Valin

In summarizing the actions of our wondefrful ally France, he might have mentioned that 1970, four years after our Fed saved the Franc, DeGaulle prepared to redeem all the French dollar reserves for gold, thus emptying Ft. Knox and crashing the dollar on world markets.

To prevent this, President Nixon "closed the gold window" and set gold free to float in dollar values. That's why gold no longer costs 35$ an ounce, and why the dollar is still the reserve currency of the world.


5 posted on 11/20/2004 7:22:09 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Valin

It appears that the Wahabi/al Qaeda Islamofascists have used their wealth to destroy any core of morality left in Eurotrash land. Now, the Eurotrash will reap their bad seed harvest of adopting PCism and hating Christianity and Judaic beliefs.

"Altogether, Europeans have effectively removed themselves from Christendom while surrendering their sovereignty and much of the basis of their liberty. It is Europeans who have stopped having children and who have instead opened the floodgates to a potentially decisive fifth column of anti-Western immigrants; Europeans who have adopted the historically novel view that diplomacy with tyrants can succeed in the absence of a credible threat of force. And now it is Europeans who argue that Americans are the ones who have changed. This might be a good time for self-reflection among Europe’s elites, if they can spare a moment from their mourning."


6 posted on 11/20/2004 7:24:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: Valin
How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?

I thought only about 56 million voted for sKerry? ;-)

7 posted on 11/20/2004 7:31:28 AM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Valin
This is one of the arguments that Jefferson was wrong and Hamilton was right. Jefferson argued for France as a big ally, and Hamilton Briton.
8 posted on 11/20/2004 7:31:29 AM PST by In veno, veritas
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To: Valin

Good article.


12 posted on 11/20/2004 7:35:40 AM PST by ride the whirlwind
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To: Valin

I truely do believe we are witnessing the fall of europe. They not only do not have the will to defend themselves, they actually do not see that they have anything to defend against. I don't think there is anything that can be done to save people who have lost their survival instincts.


14 posted on 11/20/2004 7:40:48 AM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: Valin

Excellent article. Good read and makethinker.


18 posted on 11/20/2004 7:48:55 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Valin
...they are not entitled to embrace nihilism and hedonism as their new religion and then accuse Americans of changing.

Badda Bing. europe has discarded their Judeo-Christian values one at a time, and now are clueless without His guidance.

FMCDH(BITS)

19 posted on 11/20/2004 7:51:59 AM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Valin
Insightful, brief, to the point...Better than most journalists (no offense intended to the REAL journalist out there, however rare you may be).
Thanx (damn nice debate amo...)
21 posted on 11/20/2004 7:59:00 AM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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To: Valin
"Rather, it is because Europe has all but abandoned the religious heritage that has served as the moral foundation of Western Civilization for two millenia. Europeans are free, of course, to take their moral guidance from Marx, Nietzsche, Sartre, and Derrida rather than Moses and St. Paul, but they are not entitled to embrace nihilism and hedonism as their new religion and then accuse Americans of changing."

"Americans are reluctant to surrender their national sovereignty to those organizations, especially when their freedom and safety is at stake."

Here the author is WRONG:

"Americans continue to cling to old verities of natural law and natural rights, not least of which is the supreme demand for government based on the consent of the governed. "

We have NEVER been under "natural law". We are still under Judeo Christian principles that are the underpinnings of our LAWS.
23 posted on 11/20/2004 8:09:37 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Tolik

Consideration for a moral clarity and a nailed it! ping


28 posted on 11/20/2004 8:50:53 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We are in the process of allowing them to self-actualise" LtC. Rainey, Fallujah, 11/04)
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To: Valin; Alamo-Girl; amom

Great read!


30 posted on 11/20/2004 9:33:28 AM PST by TEXOKIE (Father in Heaven, take command of America and her Mission, her leaders, her people, and her troops!)
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"And, if so, is it America that changed?"

You Euroweenies have begun to get it. We have changed from a long, dark period of forty years of RAT-induced socialistic sleep brought on by RATs in charge all that time. Now they are no longer in charge and reality time is here. The bad guys are in deep doodoo and they know it. The euros may soon understand that Bush has the majority of the people behind him and he will do what he said he would do to terrorists and solve the RAT's social issues, Social Security as well as fixing the tax code once and for all. Whatta a relief!

31 posted on 11/20/2004 9:39:12 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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