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MORAL BREAKDOWN HAS LEFT HOLLAND OPEN TO ISLAMIC TAKEOVER
Lifesite ^ | November 18, 2004 | Unknown

Posted on 11/19/2004 11:31:20 PM PST by abigail2

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Islam versus Holland- Red Cresent Rising?
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41 posted on 11/20/2004 2:14:55 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: abigail2; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Grampa Dave; ...


I don't see or hear New Yorkers
getting worried about this yet.


Washington DC went 85% for Kerry.


Euros and libs figure that others
will pull their fat from the fire.


This time the appeasers have to walk point first.



42 posted on 11/20/2004 2:17:37 AM PST by devolve (                         )
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha

Remember, over 60 million people voted for Bush.

That ain't chopped liver...


43 posted on 11/20/2004 2:26:39 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: abigail2

Fairly recently assassinated Dutch politician I believe.


44 posted on 11/20/2004 2:30:46 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: abigail2

No American blood for Europe until substantial European blood is flowing in defense of itself first.

If they won't first defend themselves, no point in trying to do if for them. It will be a wasted cause.


45 posted on 11/20/2004 2:34:14 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: DB

The newspapers should all splash the following headline above the fold: LEFTIST DREAM OF SOCIALIST PARADISE BECOMES NIGHTMARE IN THE NETHERLANDS. Liberals, take heed!


46 posted on 11/20/2004 2:37:40 AM PST by srm913
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To: abigail2
The rise of Islam, Cardinal Simonis said, is related to "the spectacle of extreme moral decadence and spiritual decline that we offer" to young people.

"Nowadays political leaders ask whether the Muslims will accept our values," the Dutch cardinal observed. "I ask, 'What values are those? Gay marriage? Euthanasia?'"

The notion that muslims occupy some higher moral ground than ordinary Dutch secularists is repugnant and false. Consider the situation. On the one hand we have islam, the religion of oppression and vile mistreatment of women, suicide bombers, vicious beheaders, and general monstrousness. On the other hand we have Dutch secularism, home—according to the Cardinal—of gay marriage (homosexuals trying to lead lives as normal as their natures permit), euthanasia (for those who choose it), and such stuff.

If those were the only two choices, I'd take Dutch secularism every time. If Christianity is thrown into the mix, I'd still take a form of secularism (that's just me), but I'd certainly recommend Christianity over islam for those who feel the need for religious belief.

It's difficult to understand how a rational person, if given a choice and given exposure to evidence and argument, would choose to be a muslim.

47 posted on 11/20/2004 3:04:29 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: abigail2

Were the Netherlands to be nothing but one solid block of intensely devout Christians with Mooselimbs among them, the Mooselimbs would still aim to despoil it for their moon rock.


48 posted on 11/20/2004 3:13:14 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: abigail2

The Dutch opened the door to the terrorists with their "anything goes" society....Now...they get to deal with it......


49 posted on 11/20/2004 3:39:00 AM PST by Route101
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To: abigail2

I think Holland can combat their problems but they may have to go Dutch.


50 posted on 11/20/2004 3:43:14 AM PST by roadrunner96
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To: clee1
"The cardinal said that he did not intend to take an extreme position, insisting "fundamentalism is always a problem."

Perhaps he meant 'legalism' is always a problem,...if not, he needs to clean up himself.

51 posted on 11/20/2004 3:58:26 AM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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To: abigail2
Law abiders need to have weapons and the more the better.

Couldn't agree more!!


Couldn't agree less!!

Just look at the stats and ask your self which country is in moral decline. A higher religious rate doesn't mean the country has higher morals.

Social Indicator   Comparison Year     USA     Netherlands  
Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 36.9% 1 17.0% 2
Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 5.4% 1 3.0% 2
Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+) 2001 1.4% 1 0.4% 2
Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population 2002 701 3 100 4
Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros) 1998 379 5 223 5
Homicide rate per 100,000 population Average 1999-2001 5.56 6 1.51 6
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/thenethe.htm
52 posted on 11/20/2004 4:02:42 AM PST by teezle
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To: teezle

And don't forget the abortion rate:

United States: about 22,9 per 1000 in 1996
Holland: about 6,5 per 1000 in 1997

http://www.minbuza.nl/default.asp?CMS_ITEM=MBZ460896


53 posted on 11/20/2004 4:04:37 AM PST by teezle
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To: abigail2
The problem for the Netherlands, the cardinal continued, is a "lack of identity."

The USA has identity – we identify as Americans, African-Americans, Muslim-Americans, Native-Americans, Latinos, Asians …

54 posted on 11/20/2004 4:20:06 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: teezle
Statistics can be deceiving. The only difference between the stats of the 2 countries is that the United States has about a 12% population of ex-slave descendants and a history of lower class immigrants, which Holland doesn't have. It is this population that brings the numbers up.
55 posted on 11/20/2004 4:23:14 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: abigail2
The liberals have overseen the moral breakdown of this country, setting the stage for Islamic revolution.

Both the liberals and Islamic pukes are anti-Christian and both believe in total control over others.

Interesting? Does Satan ring a bell?

56 posted on 11/20/2004 4:23:32 AM PST by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: All

I firmly believe that Europe can still be saved -- even France.


57 posted on 11/20/2004 4:47:44 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Dec31,1999
Statistics can be deceiving. The only difference between the stats of the 2 countries is that the United States has about a 12% population of ex-slave descendants and a history of lower class immigrants, which Holland doesn't have. It is this population that brings the numbers up.

Ok, let's say that 12% of these ex-slave descendants are all extremely immoral.... Unbelievable that you are blaming them for your negative statistics btw.

That would mean 37 - 12 = 25% of the non-ex-slave descendents have used cannabis.... illegaly.
That is still higher than in Holland and I did not even mention the Muslim community in the Netherlands who do not drink but smoke cannabis instead... legally.
58 posted on 11/20/2004 4:48:26 AM PST by teezle
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To: clee1
It will NEVER happen here.

Don't look now but it's already happening here!

59 posted on 11/20/2004 4:51:28 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: abigail2

bttt


60 posted on 11/20/2004 4:51:32 AM PST by Guenevere
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