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Innocence Abroad (They hate us, they really and truly hate us!)
Tech Central Station ^ | November 19, 2004 | Eric R. Staal

Posted on 11/19/2004 11:14:05 AM PST by quidnunc

In light of how the media and political elites in Europe continue to denounce the war in Iraq and openly criticize the reelection of President George W. Bush, it is surprising that their reaction to the replacement of Secretary of State Colin Powell with Condoleezza Rice has been so favorable. After all, Powell was widely regarded in Europe as the single moderate voice in an administration of hawks.

Despite the positive remarks about Condoleezza Rice from German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer and his French counterpart Michel Barnier, it is important not to underestimate the depth of anti-Americanism in Europe and its impact on U.S. foreign policy around the world.

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It is important to understand that modern American conservatism has no equivalent in Europe and has never been accepted as legitimate in European intellectual circles, which are monolithically both secular and liberal. There is no National Review or Weekly Standard, no talk radio personalities or Fox News to challenge the liberal orthodoxy. Serious ideological diversity among think-tanks and political foundations in any European country is negligible.

Just how much influence do these opinion shapers have? The Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Survey from March this year noted that "solid majorities in France and Germany believe the U.S. is conducting the war on terrorism in order to control Mideast oil and dominate the world." In Turkey "as many as 31 percent say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable." Turkey is important, because it stayed out of the coalition in Iraq and we know whose club it wants to join.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: eurotrash; socialism
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To: quidnunc

A friend just got back from Spain, France and Italy. She came back with horrifying stories of how hated she was when people found out she was from the US.


21 posted on 11/19/2004 11:52:18 AM PST by BunnySlippers (George W. Bush is our president ... Get over it!)
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To: quidnunc

Liberals like to talk about how the world loved us when Clinton was in charge and how they hate us now. I wish they would realize we were loved like a comedy is "loved". They were laughing at us for those eight years.


22 posted on 11/19/2004 11:52:57 AM PST by HungarianGypsy (We are the pirates who don't do anything....)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

Beautiful, beautiful map.


23 posted on 11/19/2004 11:54:36 AM PST by BunnySlippers (George W. Bush is our president ... Get over it!)
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To: quidnunc
They're jealous, they're really and truly jealous!
24 posted on 11/19/2004 11:56:10 AM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: quidnunc
The citizens and taxpayers of the United States of America owe not one instant of consideration or one penny to the citizens or leaders of European countries. Europe has become the petri dish of the foulest social elements and the most politically reactionary thinking in history. We owe them NOTHING. I have just spent about 1000% more effort and words on them than they have any right to expect from an American.
25 posted on 11/19/2004 11:57:20 AM PST by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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To: quidnunc

"It is important to understand that modern American conservatism has no equivalent in Europe and has never been accepted as legitimate in European intellectual circles"

And the Dems would have it be that way over here.


26 posted on 11/19/2004 12:04:59 PM PST by MarxSux
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To: quidnunc
Innocence Ignorance Abroad

That's better!!

27 posted on 11/19/2004 12:08:34 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Protectionists give me the Willies!!!)
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To: quidnunc
A great way to judge somebody's character is by the friends they keep, but an even better way might be by the enemies they have. With that in mind, and considering Europe has historically been on the wrong side of the fence, it's comforting to know they don't support us. That let's me know we're doing the right thing!
28 posted on 11/19/2004 12:18:00 PM PST by ConservativeAgenda (Don't rely upon others to stand up for what you believe is right!)
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To: quidnunc
U.S. is conducting the war on terrorism in order to control Mideast oil and dominate the world."

Dominate the world? Huh? Most of the world is undeveloped, poorly run, illiterate, and brimming with corruption. Why would we want to own it?

29 posted on 11/19/2004 12:33:16 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: quidnunc

The dems and the msm would credit that hate sentiment to the re-election of President George W Bush. And they feed on it. The truth is, it was the liberals in America who started this years back. Just look at michael moore, any more need to be said? He is a fine example of that, a man who hates his own race, his own country and values. I have lived overseas for years, the euros, overseas bunch started this hate thing way back when clinton was in.


30 posted on 11/19/2004 12:39:23 PM PST by loyalfandownunder
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To: quidnunc
They hate us, they really and truly hate us!

"MANDATE"

Hate, exciting and new.
Come on board...
We're Invading you.
The MANDATE...
Soon will be making another run.
The MANDATE...
Islamic Terror is on the run

31 posted on 11/19/2004 12:39:47 PM PST by DBeers
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To: broadsword

You are spot on. So many of them try to immigrate or come to America but do not qualify, so their admiration turns to jeslousy, to hate. You hear the hate talk, yet all the airwaves is full of US shows, the US fashion is so closely followed.


32 posted on 11/19/2004 12:43:21 PM PST by loyalfandownunder
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To: quidnunc

They hate us.

Fine

But deep in their hard, cold hearts, they envy us.

And somewhere very near that envy is just a tinge of fear.

And that's just fine with me.


33 posted on 11/19/2004 12:43:23 PM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: johnb838

""So This Is How My Grandparents Felt Watching A Major World War Brewing And Nobody Seeming To Be Able To Do A Thing To Stop It."

You got that right. Nearly.

That`s how most Euros feel.

The problem is that they think that
Bush is the cause, not the solution.


Hun


34 posted on 11/19/2004 12:48:33 PM PST by Hun in the sun
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To: BunnySlippers
A friend just got back from Spain, France and Italy. She came back with horrifying stories of how hated she was when people found out she was from the US.

MARK TWAIN got back from a similar trip quite a few years ago, and, well, then got to write innumerable books, speeches and stories about it....

"France has usually been governed by prostitutes." - Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"French are the connecting link between man & the monkey." - Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"In certain public indecencies the difference between a dog & a Frenchman is not perceptible." - Notebook #17, October 1878 - February 1879

"A Frenchman's home is where another man's wife is." - Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"An isolated & helpless young girl is perfectly safe from insult by a Frenchman, if he is dead." - Notebook #20, Jan. 1882 - Feb. 1883

"M. de Lamester's new French dictionary just issued in Paris defines virtue as: "A woman who has only one lover and don't steal." - quoted in A Bibliography of Mark Twain, Merle Johnson

"In Paris they just simply opened their eyes and stared when we spoke to them in French! We never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language." - Innocents Abroad

"The objects of which Paris folks are fond--literature, art, medicine and adultery." - The Corpse speech, 1879

"France has neither winter nor summer nor morals--apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country." - Mark Twain's Notebook

"There is nothing lower than the human race except the French." - quoted by Carl Dolmetsch, Our Famous Guest

"It appears that at last census that every man in France over 16 years of age & under 116, has at least 1 wife to whom he has never been married. French novels, talk, drama & newspaper bring daily & overwhelming proofs that the most of the married ladies have paramours. This makes a good deal of what we call crime, and the French call sociability." - Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"Trivial Americans go to Paris when they die." - Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"It is the language for lying compliment, for illicit love & for the conveying of exquisitely nice shades of meaning in bright graceful & trivial conversations--the conveying, especially of double-meanings, a decent & indecent one so blended as--nudity thinly veiled, but gauzily & lovelily." - Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"A dead Frenchman has many good qualities, many things to recommend him; many attractions--even innocencies. Why cannot we have more of these?" - Notebook #20, Jan. 1882 - Feb. 1883

35 posted on 11/19/2004 12:51:57 PM PST by Sooth2222
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To: sgtbono2002

Let`s talk facts:

"France and Germany I hate them I really and truly hate them.

Ok... You hate them.
That`s fine, but why?
Any reasonable reasons?

If you just can`t accept a "No", I guess you
also have problems with women...?

"Nobody gives a crap about me hating them any more"

Indeed

"than I give a crap about them hating us,"

Who hates you?
Most Germans and French don`t like Bush,
but hating the american people for their
leaders is something you won`t find here.
Yet.


"I am not Jealous like they are ,I just hate folks who are jealous of the USA and call it hate.

Ehem... that`s a joke, isn`t?

Why the hell should French or Krauts be
"jealous of the USA" ????

I honestly see no reason.


Regards,
Hun


36 posted on 11/19/2004 1:03:55 PM PST by Hun in the sun
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To: quidnunc

Living well is the best revenge!


37 posted on 11/19/2004 1:05:35 PM PST by Owl558 (Don't tread on me!)
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To: broadsword

"They're jealous, they're really and truly jealous!"

Any good examples?


Hun


38 posted on 11/19/2004 1:08:26 PM PST by Hun in the sun
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To: Hun in the sun
Hun in the sun wrote: Most Germans and French don`t like Bush, but hating the american people for their leaders is something you won`t find here. Yet.

That Stierscheiße won't fly anymore, Fritzl.

Saying that you hate our president is the same as saying that you hate the people who elected him.

39 posted on 11/19/2004 1:18:54 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

Just my opinion but we really don't need "EURO-PEONS"!I look down my nose at these cowardly cockroaches and their moronish thinking.I just wish we had waited a little longer to enter WW2.


40 posted on 11/19/2004 1:19:14 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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