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ACLU tries to harm US military
opinion editorials ^ | Nov 19 04 | Michael L. Ford

Posted on 11/18/2004 11:43:12 PM PST by churchillbuff

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1 posted on 11/18/2004 11:43:12 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Howlin

Make it four.


2 posted on 11/18/2004 11:43:58 PM PST by CWOJackson
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Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Joe Richards said Monday's partial settlement will have minimal impact on the military's relationship with the Boy Scouts.

"The settlement does not prohibit the Department of Defense from supporting the Boy Scouts of America. Boy Scout units are permitted to meet on military bases, and military personnel are allowed to remain active in Boy Scout programs," Col. Richards said.

"Under the very limited settlement applying existing DoD policy, DoD may not officially sponsor Boy Scout units and DoD personnel may not sponsor Boy Scout units in an official capacity," he said, referring to the Department of Defense. "We are still going to support the Boy Scouts of America."

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Spokespersons at Washington-area military bases said Boy Scout troops, often composed mostly of boys from military families, meet on their bases but that the troops are run by parents.

"We have a troop at Bolling, but they are not called the Bolling Boy Scouts. Parents are involved. They meet at Bolling," said Capt. Elizabeth Ortiz, spokesman for Bolling Air Force Base in the District, adding that Bolling does not sponsor the troop.

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The Boy Scouts Jamboree, which draws tens of thousands of Scouts and their leaders to Virginia's Fort A.P. Hill Army base every four years, will go on as planned this summer, despite a court settlement announced Monday that requires military bases and units to withhold official support from the Boy Scouts.

"There will be no effect on the Jamboree," said Bob Bork, national spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America. "We don't anticipate any problem with that."

3 posted on 11/18/2004 11:44:23 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

I'm not even following the Pentagon/Scouting issue, but I'll give ya a ping.


4 posted on 11/18/2004 11:45:07 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: CWOJackson

Thanks for the informative post. It's certainly a relief.


5 posted on 11/18/2004 11:53:40 PM PST by Rabble (Arlen Specter -- Betraying America and his party for 24 Years)
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To: Rabble
That's one of the misconceptions about these posts; there are at least four of them now. On two of those threads this is being used to suggest that the President and Secretary Rumsfeld are somehow responsible and should be held accountable.

In reality very little has changed with relation to the Boy Scouts and their long standing relationship with the military.

6 posted on 11/18/2004 11:58:16 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

ACTION ALERT...WE CAN PUT A STOP TO THE ACLU'S CONSTANT ATTACKS! Read this exerpt from the Phylis Schafley interview. Read the whole interview at: http://illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=20902


Now there’s another thing Congress can do.


You know there are these Ten Commandment monuments everywhere. And they’re probably 10,000 monuments or plaques that are in public buildings or public parks around the country. There’s a pot of gold sitting under each one, which the ACLU is going after.


There is a court law passed during Watergate era that allows them to collect attorneys’ fees for these cases for these Ten Commandment and pledge cases, and because they’re claiming they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the pledge of allegiance.


They have a collected a huge amount. It is a neat fundraiser for the ACLU. There’s no excuse for Congress to not repeal this and make it impossible.


In Montgomery, Alabama, the ACLU the Americans United for Separation of Church and State (a southern comedy) collected over half a million dollars from the taxpayers from Alabama for arguing against the Ten Commandments.


The state of Tennessee had to pay $100,000 to one of these states and when the ACLU sued the Boy Scouts for using a public park they had used since 1915, the ACLU collected I think it was $700,000 in attorneys’ fees and expenses. This is an outrage. snip


BETTER YET, HIT THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND DEMAND THIS RULING THAT ALLOWS ACLU'S ATTORNEYS TO COLLECT FEES FROM PROSECUTION BE OVERTURNED. THE ACLU WILL DISAPPEAR! 1-800-648-3516


7 posted on 11/19/2004 12:01:39 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: CWOJackson

I truly hope this is a minor issue. My three sons participated in Scouting overseas on military bases, much to their benefit.


8 posted on 11/19/2004 12:05:36 AM PST by Original Kamaaina
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Very little will change for you sons, they will still be meeting on the military bases and the same military personnel will be participating in leadership rolls.

The only thing that could change is that the official sponsorship for the troop would go from an "official" military intenty (if there is one) to a "non-official".

In other words, if they were the Fort Myers Troop they might become the Fort Myers NCOA Troop (sponsored by a non-official entity).

9 posted on 11/19/2004 12:09:00 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Barlowmaker; Petronski; anniegetyourgun; Ignatius J Reilly; rdb3; reagandemo; Poohbah; Tempest; ...

Number 4.


10 posted on 11/19/2004 12:35:33 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

P I N G


11 posted on 11/19/2004 12:39:27 AM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
We are being destroyed from within !
12 posted on 11/19/2004 1:11:31 AM PST by Orlando (www.mensnewsdaily.com, www.mensactivism.org (Support Fathers/Veteran Rights)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
We are being destroyed from within !
13 posted on 11/19/2004 1:12:43 AM PST by Orlando (www.mensnewsdaily.com, www.mensactivism.org (Support Fathers/Veteran Rights)
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Fortunately this doesn't really change much. None of the 420 Boy Scout troops that currently meet on military bases will STOP meeting on them. All of the military personnel who participated before will continue to do so still.

All this has really done is cause the individual Boy Scout troops that were directly sponsored by an "official" entity to change their sponsorship to a non-official entity. So if the had been the Camp Thomas Troop before now they are the Camp Thomas NCOA Troop instead. Everything else remains the same.

14 posted on 11/19/2004 1:16:34 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

The ACLU is a subversive organization. During a time of war, it should be forcibly disbanded, its leaders interned in concentration camps for the duration of the war.


15 posted on 11/19/2004 2:48:01 AM PST by shubi
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To: churchillbuff
Seems as though A.C.L.U. stands for "Anti-Christian Lawyers Union".
16 posted on 11/19/2004 3:35:37 AM PST by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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To: CWOJackson

You'll excuse me if I take a moment to revel.....


17 posted on 11/19/2004 4:01:45 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: churchillbuff
The ACLU is a hate group....a hate 'the America of our founders' hate group

They are a religion as they believe in the set 'not God' and can only do so as a matter of faith.

They cannot prove He does not exist and is not sovereign... yet they wish to stop anyone who teaches that He does exist and is sovereign.

They propagate the lie 'Separation of church and state' claiming this is in our Constitution..when in fact it is not...these words cannot be found written any where in that document.

The intent of Jefferson when he wrote about a wall of separation was to make clear that the state mandated church would not happen in America...as it had in England. No king would madate how Christ was to be worshiped in OUR nation. Yet the ACLU convinces many that this 'separation' actually exists...of course among these 'many' are those who are most willing to be convinced and unfortunately for America they are in positions of authority...and in the courts where they can be great pests.

My pop was career Navy...and scouting was one of the best activities we had going for us on the various bases I and the other dependent kids grew up on...

These Navy bases were a gold mine of great scout leaders ...we had PBY, Corsair,Avenger and Panther Jet pilots, Force Recon Marines, Naval Intel...,PT Boat crew members, MPs, mecahnics and machinists...you name it we had some of the best U.S. military personnel giving of their time, themselves, and their expertise..teaching us such a variety of things and skills that no civilian enclave ever match.

The ACLU wants to deny American kids the positive kinds of influence only such great men can provide...

But this same ACLU will defend to the death the rights of pedophiles and other scum bags to be boy scout leaders and sodomites...scouts...

That pretty much tells us all we need to know about the ACLU...

The legal arm of THE PINK SWASTIKA

imo

18 posted on 11/19/2004 4:15:55 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: churchillbuff
The ACLU hopes to promote the sodomite agenda in the Boy Scouts...which is precisely what the Nazis did to their boy scouts turning it into the Hitler Youth The Pink Swastika
19 posted on 11/19/2004 4:32:45 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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I was active duty in the Air Force and active with the Boy Scouts for many years. I've had five children that are now adults. Three boys and two girls. All were Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts. My wife has been a leader in the GS for 20 years and recently, finally dropped out of it now that our own children are grown. I left the BS a few years back when my last son stopped being a scout. The point is, during the time I was in the service the military itself was a big supporter for the scouts (Boy and Girl) and should remain a separate, but supporting entity for them.

The fact that there are groups like the ACLU out there attempting to undermine the Scouts true achievements, which is basically, putting children into a leadership role, teaching them self discipline shows that those who scream the loudest "It's for the children" are really, in essence saying "It's so that we can CONTROL the children our way, not your way".

If instilling a few moral values in the children is "wrong" to the ACLU and other groups, then it must be the right thing to do. I strongly suggest that we all contact the Pentagon directly and tell them how we all feel about it. If you want to use their web site, and perhaps the Freepers are the best folks to do this :) then use this link:

http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/comment.html

I strongly suggest we all get in there and start posting messages to them regarding the lack of support for the Scouts (yeah, I read it and it says they won't stop, but I expect each person here who cares a bit about the Scouts to actually take 5 minutes and post a message endorsing the military's previous support of the scouts and a message to them to CONTINUE that support, regardless of the "political consequences", since that is all this is... a political trap for military leaders)
20 posted on 11/19/2004 5:33:31 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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