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First my opinion might be colored as the victim of a violent crime.

Yet, I do have compassion and I have thoughts on federal mandatory sentencing guidelines.

When you break the law you should be punished. But, I wonder, when someone is breaking the law selling pot, with a gun? When you put it in those terms there seems to be little one can say in his defense of a lesser sentence.

Yet, the DA wanted to make a pretrial deal. I have so many issues with that I cannot even begin to know where to start.

Many recall the young boy, in Florida, who claimed he was doing a wrestling move he saw on TV, that resulted in the death of a little girl. The boy's mother would not do a pretrial deal, and, the boy was found guilty and sentenced to life, until the Governor and state courts got involved. There are many other issues with this case but that his mother could have done a deal that would have kept in jail less then the trial has me questioning the DA's power. The same feelings I have that this young man told the big bad government that he wanted to have a trial by his peers and sadly that if he lost the DA would be much tougher. Why?

I brought up the Tate case because I feel that mother should have made a deal, and when she didn't the young man suffered a tougher punishment. The same is true for this young man in Utah.

I think we have taken to much away from our judges and we need to think hard and long if that is what we want our society to be or if we need to reel these mandatory laws back to a more reasonable punishment.

To be clear:

This young man deserves jail time, he clearly broke the law, but, laws that were imposed for Kennedy assassins are dated.

I feel that congress has to much leverage in the process.

That making deals while saving the government time and money should be part of the sentencing if the defendant decides to use his right to a trial.

The idea that a rapist and murderer gets less time is something I cannot stand for.

All thought are welcome, again, we know as voting block we can make a difference so lets start making a positive difference.

1 posted on 11/18/2004 3:23:06 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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This is an important subject that I think requires open and honest discussion.

Thanks in advance!


2 posted on 11/18/2004 3:26:00 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Lets keep the MSM to the grind stone, stories like this should not be ignored.)
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To: Former Military Chick

You do the crime, you do the time. If this guy was carrying a gun while doing drug deals, it was (is) only a matter of time until he shot someone.

This was not just about doing drug deals. It is being armed while doing drug deals where people are impaired and violence is extremely likely.

I have no qualms about getting this guy of the street until he is 80 or 180.


3 posted on 11/18/2004 3:28:02 PM PST by arjay (If the NYT is against it, it must be good for America.)
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"The bulk of that term — the 55 years imposed Tuesday — is based on just three firearms charges for carrying a gun during two drug sales and for keeping additional firearms at his Fort Union apartment. "

Throw away the damn key!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 11/18/2004 3:28:03 PM PST by American Vet Repairman (Why do the Nazis and liberals have so much in common?)
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To: Former Military Chick
In a way, these stiff mandatory sentences seem like a sort of backlash against lenient, liberal judges and judicial activism. If judges could be trusted to mete out punishment in a fair and evenhanded manner, so that the punishment fits the crime and reasonably takes mitigating circumstances into account, then these laws would not be necessary. But murderers and rapists being back out on the streets within a few years caused public outrage, which led to pressure on legislators for such laws.
11 posted on 11/18/2004 3:36:11 PM PST by Ryan Spock
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To: Former Military Chick

"Utah-based rap music label "


That sentence makes me giggle.


13 posted on 11/18/2004 3:37:33 PM PST by osboy (Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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Trafficking in Class A controlled substances, multiple weapons violations and money laundering? And the judge thinks 18 years is ok? Whatacrock! 55 years is too light. This guy needs to be off the streets forever.
14 posted on 11/18/2004 3:39:01 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Gun laws being enforced properly is the way to decrease gun violence. Mandatory minimums are one of the most important ways we combat the gun control lobby and the gun criminals. And, dealing drugs deserves a harsh punishment. Destroying the lives of others for personal gain is evil.


15 posted on 11/18/2004 3:40:04 PM PST by Stonedog (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's difficult to pronounce.)
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To: Former Military Chick
I disagree.

There are a lot of people that care about gun rights.

There are a lot more that don't really care about gun rights, but they care about crime.

And then there are anti-gun fanatics.

The anti-gunners have made hay with gun related crimes for a long time and used it to push their anti-gun agenda through.

Laws like this don't help them, and they don't hurt the law-abiding citizen that has a gun. They only apply to criminals that use a gun.

The middle-of-the-roaders like that. It does the gun-rights crowd no harm as it won't apply to you if you don't commit a crime with a gun and it ticks the gun grabbers off because it actually does something about gun crime, namely, get rid of criminals that use guns.

Now, some of these laws have been perveted to cover non-violent "paperwork" crimes, but that's not the case in this instance.

This guy broke the law. And he took a gun with him while doing it. He has a long sentence coming to him.

18 posted on 11/18/2004 3:42:31 PM PST by Knitebane
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"First my opinion might be colored as the victim of a violent crime."

I sincerely hope that is not why you are a "Former" Military Chick.

Former Military Dude


19 posted on 11/18/2004 3:46:23 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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...just three firearms charges for carrying a gun during two drug sales
"Just"
20 posted on 11/18/2004 3:46:58 PM PST by oh8eleven
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He was convicted on 16 criminal counts, and each count carried a penalty. Drug dealers with guns are the main weapon - for lack of a better word - the anti-gun lobby use to destroy the Second amendment. I don't feel sorry for "this young father". That young father should have thought of the consequences of his actions.


23 posted on 11/18/2004 3:52:10 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Former Military Chick

I'm confused. Which is it that liberals want? Gun control laws with teeth, or light sentences for offenders?


25 posted on 11/18/2004 3:56:30 PM PST by Antonello
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This is Angelos‘ sentence, all right, 738 months.  Remember, he was selling pot.  A kingpin of a major drug trafficking ring where death resulted  293 months.  Aircraft hijacker: 293 months.  Second-degree murderer:  168 months.  Kidnapper: 151 months.  Rapist of a 10-year-old child: 135 months.  A rapist: 87 months. 


26 posted on 11/18/2004 3:58:33 PM PST by Zeppelin (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordian.)
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The idea that a rapist and murderer gets less time is something I cannot stand for.

I agree. The rapist and murderer should either be executed or receive life without possiblity of parole. Would you be OK with the sentence then?

27 posted on 11/18/2004 3:59:13 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Former Military Chick

Yes, the fact that he was able to procreate clearly makes him a paragon of our society.


Certainly we should reap the rewards of allowing him to procreate some more and I just can't get enough of that Utah rap music. A great loss for all I'm sure.


33 posted on 11/18/2004 4:04:56 PM PST by Dano50
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To: Former Military Chick
Mandatory minimum sentences are required to keep liberal judges from releasing dangerous criminals to prey on society.

Don't like the result here? Keep your dope and your gun in separate places.
34 posted on 11/18/2004 4:05:16 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Former Military Chick

When some bad guy steals your car stereo, you call your insurance company and in a couple of days, you receive a check and go buy a new stereo.

When some bad guy steals some tools from your garage, you call your insurance company and in a few days, you receive a check and go buy some news tools.

Even if you don't have insurance, you can save up and replace anything that the bad guys took or learn to live without this stuff.

A drug dealer, reaches into the soul of your child and steals its future. Calling your insurance company will be to no avail. You can save all the money that you want, you will never be able to get that child's future back. AND, try that you might, this is not something that you will just learn to live with.

So, for me.............lock them up and throw away the key. My attitude applies to more than drug dealers........3 time losers, rapists, Pedophiles, child abusers and so on.

Having said all of that, I have met a couple of people that went to prison for dealing drugs and when they got out, they changed their lives around. Unfortunately, these "turn arounds" are few and far between.


36 posted on 11/18/2004 4:10:48 PM PST by Gator113
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He'll be in love with another inmate soon, and the time will fly by!

Criminals + drugs + guns = loss of life for society. Criminals + jails = safer society.

Do the crime, do the time.

43 posted on 11/18/2004 4:18:46 PM PST by Chieftain (Thank you Swift Boat Veterans/POWs/Vietnam Veterans for Truth - you did it for ALL your brothers!)
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Federal judge condemns sentencing laws

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46 posted on 11/18/2004 4:24:38 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Lets keep the MSM to the grind stone, stories like this should not be ignored.)
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How many other lives did Mr. Angelos ruin with the drugs he sold? How many innocent children are suffering with drugged-out parents or are now hooked on drugs thanks to Mr. Angelos? How much longer before Mr. Angelos used the guns he carried and killed someone?

Do the crime, do the time. Goodbye and good riddance to Mr. Angelos.

47 posted on 11/18/2004 4:25:14 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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