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To: Squantos

this seal has it about right in my opinion.

http://www.froggyruminations.blogspot.com/

" They're Called Security Rounds

Its a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and moveon.org. Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman to spend one man minute or a battle dressing on a terrorist, its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not prisoners, they are carcasses.

UPDATE: Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers. Here is your situation Marine. You just took fire from unlawful combatants shooting from a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down. So you run over there, and find some tangos wounded and pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these kind of idiots, and like taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fireteam's lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room, and you're already speaking english to each other and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this terrorist that was just shooting at you from a mosque playing possum. What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what.

What about the Geneva Conventions and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff? What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand you first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Bear in mind that this is a perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experiences gained on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary which is a double No No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to take "prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end of no good are fundamentally the same... Marines get hurt or die. So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and get on with the mission.

If you are a veteran then everything I have just written is self evident, if you are not a veteran than at least try to put yourself in the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week? It is not easy, and if you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines in jail for war crimes. Be advised, I am not talking to my readers, but if this post gets linked up, I want regular folks to get this message loud and clear. Froggy OUT.

UPDATE #2: See my Prayer for some insight as to how The Big Judge in the sky might rule on this case."


7 posted on 11/16/2004 11:54:39 PM PST by carsonsig
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To: carsonsig

When we started to serch a body for IED's if it wasn't visably dead ie bloated etc we gave a command to show hands and don't move in the native language. Zero response resulted in shots to the head from a safe distance to make sure the enemy was dead !

Sad part is that even though that was SOP for our needs the MSM would still have issues with it as they expect the military to be law enforcement and that just is NOT THE CASE AT ALL.........different job , different mission, ....presstitutes we left in the desert when they were assigned to ride with us. Or I tasked two troops to take em on a Louisana hay ride to let us get the job done. Any way one looks at it the MSM costs the DOD money , lives and initial success. Too bad good officers and NCO's don't know how to "handle" this threat to their troops........


8 posted on 11/17/2004 12:04:04 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: carsonsig

Thanks for the link to the froggy site. It's bookmarked for me. He's got a way with words that make things crystal clear for the muddle-headed handwringers.


37 posted on 11/17/2004 1:21:14 AM PST by lainde
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To: carsonsig

I am a 59 year old female real estate agent ad I got it from looking at the video. The Marine did the right thing. We hired these fine people to clean out a hornets nest and to put their well being above all and that is how you do it. Obviously, the critisizers (sp) do not know the least thing about warfare. The enemy over there has no respect for life and would love to blow up anything they can to take the lives of our guys. What is so hard to understand about that?


65 posted on 11/17/2004 2:53:53 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: carsonsig
This sums it up perfectly:

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

It's our job to call out the traitorous MSM at home and let our soldiers know we are behind them.

73 posted on 11/17/2004 3:55:46 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: carsonsig
Its a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and moveon.org. Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman to spend one man minute or a battle dressing on a terrorist, its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

Thanks for posting this....I brings a perpective that needs to be hammered into the heads of the weak kneed public.
82 posted on 11/17/2004 5:25:53 AM PST by submarinerswife
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