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Shooting in Iraq Mosque Angers Muslims
Yahoo News ^ | 11/16/04 | ROBERT H. REID, AP

Posted on 11/16/2004 6:17:45 PM PST by kattracks

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni Muslims in Iraq (news - web sites) on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of insurgents once they are out of action.

International legal experts said the Marine may have acted in self-defense because of a danger that a wounded combatant might try to blow up a hidden weapon; a key issue was whether the injured man was a prisoner at the time.

The shooting happened Saturday, one day after the Marine, who has not been identified, was wounded in the face and after another man in his unit was killed by the booby-trapped body of an insurgent.

However, the incident could cause major political problems for the government of Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and his U.S. backers at a time when Iraqi authorities are seeking to contain a backlash among Sunnis to the invasion of the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah.

American and Iraqi authorities tried to prevent rage from spreading among Sunnis, many of whom watched dramatic footage of the shooting that aired throughout the day on Al-Jazeera television, a Qatar-based satellite station.

"Look at this old man who was slain by them," said Ahmed Khalil, 40, as he watched the video in his Baghdad shop. "Was he a fighter? Was anybody who was killed inside this mosque a fighter? Where are their weapons? I don't know what to say."

It was unclear to what extent other Iraqis, particularly the majority Shiite Muslims, cared about the shooting.

Maysoun Hirmiz, 36, a Christian merchant in Baghdad, said she was not satisfied by an announcement by the U.S. military that it had removed the Marine from the battlefield and will investigate whether he acted in self defense.

"They will say or do the same thing they did with the soldiers who committed the abuses against Iraqis detainees in Abu Ghraib prison, and they are still free, enjoying their lives while they destroyed other peoples' lives," Hirmiz said.

The central figures who allegedly carried out the physical abuse and sexual humiliation of inmates at the notorious prison west of Baghdad are currently on trial, facing trial or have already been sentenced.

The Abu Ghraib scandal, which erupted last spring when photos of the abuse became public, generated a worldwide wave of revulsion that raised questions about the treatment of Muslim prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan (news - web sites) and elsewhere as part of the Bush administration's war on terror.

The shooting in the Fallujah mosque became public Monday with the airing of the footage taken Saturday by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC News. In his report, Sites said the man who was killed didn't appear to be armed or threatening in any way, with no weapons visible in the mosque.

In a statement Tuesday, the 1st Marine Division said it launched its investigation "to determine whether the Marine acted in self-defense, violated military law or failed to comply with the Law of Armed Conflict."

It was unclear from the statement whether the incident was reported through the chain of command Saturday or only when the pool footage became generally available two days later.

Sites said three other insurgents wounded Friday in the mosque were also shot again Saturday by the Marines.

International legal experts said protection of injured combatants once they are out of action is a basic rule in warfare but that the Marine shown in the video may have acted in self-defense.

Charles Heyman, a British infantry veteran and senior defense analyst with Jane's Consultancy Group in London, defended the Marine, saying soldiers are taught that the enemy "is at his most dangerous when he is severely injured."

 

Other experts contacted by The Associated Press were careful to avoid a public judgment because of the dangerous and uncertain situation in Fallujah, where U.S. troops were still fighting insurgents.

"It's clearly recognized that people in combat situations are under enormous strain," international Red Cross spokesman Florian Westphal said in Geneva. "Obviously, we were not on the spot so we cannot judge the precise circumstances of what was being shown here."

Westphal said the Geneva Conventions are clear: Protection of wounded combatants once they are out of action is an absolute requirement.

However, the status of the wounded man was unclear. A different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing 10 men and wounding five, according to Sites. He said Marines treated the wounded and left them.

The same five men were in the mosque Saturday when Marines from another unit arrived. Westphal said he couldn't say for sure from NBC's account whether the man was a prisoner.

Heyman said there is a danger that a wounded enemy may try to detonate a hidden firearm or a grenade, and if the man made the slightest move "in my estimation they would be justified in shooting him."

However, legal distinctions are unlikely to carry much weight among many Iraqis, especially Sunnis already angry over the Fallujah offensive. Allawi said he ordered the assault after Fallujah's leaders refused to hand over Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other foreign fighters.

But Sunni militants saw the invasion of the city 40 miles west of Baghdad as a plot by the Americans and the Shiites, such as Allawi, against religious Sunnis — an allegation both governments deny.

"The troops not only violated our mosques with their sins and their boots but they stepped on our brothers' blood," said Khalil, the shop owner. "They are criminals and mercenaries. I feel guilty standing here and not doing anything."

At a news conference Tuesday, Iraqi Interior Minister Falah Hassan al-Naqib, himself a Sunni, said that although "killing a wounded person is rejected by us," Fallujah militants were "killers and criminals" who committed brutal acts.

That meant little to Hameed Farhan, 51, who works for the Transportation Ministry in Baghdad.

"I did not see it because there was no electricity at home, but my wife was at her parents and she described it for me," Farhan said. "She was crying. Tears welled up in my eyes. I wanted to scream."

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Associated Press reporters Omar Sinan in Baghdad and Alexander G. Higgins in Geneva contributed to this report.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; fallujahmarine; iraq
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To: peyton randolph

cute!


141 posted on 11/16/2004 9:17:24 PM PST by MeekMom (When are the Hollyweirds moving to Canada/France?)
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To: kattracks

With the Arab media -- al-Jazeera especially -- operating as a non-stop 24/7 anti-American propaganda outlet, we will never be able to pring peace and stability to Iraq.


142 posted on 11/16/2004 9:17:37 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: kattracks

cull 'em all


143 posted on 11/16/2004 10:34:33 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: kattracks
Poor guy. I'll bet he didn't shed any tears over the innocent people who have been beheaded by the terrorists.

No tears for Margaret Hassan either, who spent her life helping the Iraqis, just tears for some wild eyed fanatic from Syria or Iran who wanted another dark age of tyranny for Iraq.
144 posted on 11/17/2004 1:49:00 AM PST by jaykay
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To: yooper
I'd have shot the guy too. What's the problem here?

The problem is embedded enemy propagandists. What's next, embedded Al Queda terrorists?
145 posted on 11/17/2004 1:53:02 AM PST by jaykay
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To: TexasTaysor
I'm not defending Sites, but there was a post earlier where he stated that the Marines he's been with have behaved very professionally and with great restraint, and that this particular situation was very confusing.

Yes, he makes himself sound very reasonable as he presents this few seconds of footage without any context, without showing what went on before, without showing what these Marines have been dealing with, dead and nearly dead terrorists rigged to blow up in their faces. Sites is a perfect example of Savage's "Enemy Within." He has, while sounding so reasonable, inspired fatal hesitation by the next soldier or Marine in the same situation and ruined the life of the Marine he was filming.
146 posted on 11/17/2004 2:04:06 AM PST by jaykay
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To: mirkinmuffley

Who's Michael Gross and why should anyone care what he wants? Please don't tell me it's the washed up TV actor Michael Gross, suddenly become an expert commentator on military operations and international law.


147 posted on 11/17/2004 2:11:36 AM PST by jaykay
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To: kattracks
"Shooting in Iraq Mosque Angers Muslims"

Maybe but I note that Mosul rolled over without much of a fight. Maybe the word is getting around. Shoot from a Mosque and it becomes a legitimate target, booby trap the wounded and they can be shot. Word needs to get around and I agree with others, leave Falujah as a standing wreck for awhile so everybody can see what resistance buys you.

148 posted on 11/17/2004 2:24:04 AM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: jaykay

I agree with you on that, and that's basically what I said in the e-mail I sent him.


149 posted on 11/17/2004 4:32:58 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: broadsword

"Mighty Sky Pimp" bump.


150 posted on 11/17/2004 6:23:15 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: MEG33

Shooting FROM mosques angers me!


151 posted on 11/17/2004 6:25:02 AM PST by billphx
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