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Shooting in Iraq Mosque Angers Muslims
Yahoo News ^ | 11/16/04 | ROBERT H. REID, AP

Posted on 11/16/2004 6:17:45 PM PST by kattracks

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni Muslims in Iraq (news - web sites) on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of insurgents once they are out of action.

International legal experts said the Marine may have acted in self-defense because of a danger that a wounded combatant might try to blow up a hidden weapon; a key issue was whether the injured man was a prisoner at the time.

The shooting happened Saturday, one day after the Marine, who has not been identified, was wounded in the face and after another man in his unit was killed by the booby-trapped body of an insurgent.

However, the incident could cause major political problems for the government of Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and his U.S. backers at a time when Iraqi authorities are seeking to contain a backlash among Sunnis to the invasion of the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah.

American and Iraqi authorities tried to prevent rage from spreading among Sunnis, many of whom watched dramatic footage of the shooting that aired throughout the day on Al-Jazeera television, a Qatar-based satellite station.

"Look at this old man who was slain by them," said Ahmed Khalil, 40, as he watched the video in his Baghdad shop. "Was he a fighter? Was anybody who was killed inside this mosque a fighter? Where are their weapons? I don't know what to say."

It was unclear to what extent other Iraqis, particularly the majority Shiite Muslims, cared about the shooting.

Maysoun Hirmiz, 36, a Christian merchant in Baghdad, said she was not satisfied by an announcement by the U.S. military that it had removed the Marine from the battlefield and will investigate whether he acted in self defense.

"They will say or do the same thing they did with the soldiers who committed the abuses against Iraqis detainees in Abu Ghraib prison, and they are still free, enjoying their lives while they destroyed other peoples' lives," Hirmiz said.

The central figures who allegedly carried out the physical abuse and sexual humiliation of inmates at the notorious prison west of Baghdad are currently on trial, facing trial or have already been sentenced.

The Abu Ghraib scandal, which erupted last spring when photos of the abuse became public, generated a worldwide wave of revulsion that raised questions about the treatment of Muslim prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan (news - web sites) and elsewhere as part of the Bush administration's war on terror.

The shooting in the Fallujah mosque became public Monday with the airing of the footage taken Saturday by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC News. In his report, Sites said the man who was killed didn't appear to be armed or threatening in any way, with no weapons visible in the mosque.

In a statement Tuesday, the 1st Marine Division said it launched its investigation "to determine whether the Marine acted in self-defense, violated military law or failed to comply with the Law of Armed Conflict."

It was unclear from the statement whether the incident was reported through the chain of command Saturday or only when the pool footage became generally available two days later.

Sites said three other insurgents wounded Friday in the mosque were also shot again Saturday by the Marines.

International legal experts said protection of injured combatants once they are out of action is a basic rule in warfare but that the Marine shown in the video may have acted in self-defense.

Charles Heyman, a British infantry veteran and senior defense analyst with Jane's Consultancy Group in London, defended the Marine, saying soldiers are taught that the enemy "is at his most dangerous when he is severely injured."

 

Other experts contacted by The Associated Press were careful to avoid a public judgment because of the dangerous and uncertain situation in Fallujah, where U.S. troops were still fighting insurgents.

"It's clearly recognized that people in combat situations are under enormous strain," international Red Cross spokesman Florian Westphal said in Geneva. "Obviously, we were not on the spot so we cannot judge the precise circumstances of what was being shown here."

Westphal said the Geneva Conventions are clear: Protection of wounded combatants once they are out of action is an absolute requirement.

However, the status of the wounded man was unclear. A different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing 10 men and wounding five, according to Sites. He said Marines treated the wounded and left them.

The same five men were in the mosque Saturday when Marines from another unit arrived. Westphal said he couldn't say for sure from NBC's account whether the man was a prisoner.

Heyman said there is a danger that a wounded enemy may try to detonate a hidden firearm or a grenade, and if the man made the slightest move "in my estimation they would be justified in shooting him."

However, legal distinctions are unlikely to carry much weight among many Iraqis, especially Sunnis already angry over the Fallujah offensive. Allawi said he ordered the assault after Fallujah's leaders refused to hand over Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other foreign fighters.

But Sunni militants saw the invasion of the city 40 miles west of Baghdad as a plot by the Americans and the Shiites, such as Allawi, against religious Sunnis — an allegation both governments deny.

"The troops not only violated our mosques with their sins and their boots but they stepped on our brothers' blood," said Khalil, the shop owner. "They are criminals and mercenaries. I feel guilty standing here and not doing anything."

At a news conference Tuesday, Iraqi Interior Minister Falah Hassan al-Naqib, himself a Sunni, said that although "killing a wounded person is rejected by us," Fallujah militants were "killers and criminals" who committed brutal acts.

That meant little to Hameed Farhan, 51, who works for the Transportation Ministry in Baghdad.

"I did not see it because there was no electricity at home, but my wife was at her parents and she described it for me," Farhan said. "She was crying. Tears welled up in my eyes. I wanted to scream."

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Associated Press reporters Omar Sinan in Baghdad and Alexander G. Higgins in Geneva contributed to this report.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; fallujahmarine; iraq
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Poor guy. I'll bet he didn't shed any tears over the innocent people who have been beheaded by the terrorists.
1 posted on 11/16/2004 6:17:45 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

If only Kevin Sites instead of Ernie Pyle could have covered WW2/sarcasm


2 posted on 11/16/2004 6:19:12 PM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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Somewhere in Europe it's probably illegal to make a Muslim angry....geee,,,,and they're usually so peaceful.

What DOESN't anger Muslims??? Oh the brutal group killing of unarmed aidworkers and innocents.....

got it


3 posted on 11/16/2004 6:19:41 PM PST by austinaero
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To: kattracks

Are these same Muslims angered when their fellow believers behead civilians for jollies? I thought not.


5 posted on 11/16/2004 6:20:19 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Half a league, half a league rode the MSM into the valley of obscurity)
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To: MEG33

Traitor NBC photographer email addresses:

kevinsites@hotmail.com

kevin@kevinsites.net

http://www.kevinsites.net/


6 posted on 11/16/2004 6:20:20 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: kattracks

Shi'ite happens.


7 posted on 11/16/2004 6:21:18 PM PST by peyton randolph (Time for Bush to pack the U.S. Supremes)
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To: kattracks

ARMED, unarmed, citzen, terrorist is there really a difference do any of there lives matter will they become productive people and give anything to this world. TIme to make the place a new time share resort level it.


8 posted on 11/16/2004 6:21:18 PM PST by jarcolaNY
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To: jimbo123

Muchas gracias! Let the e-Freep begin...


9 posted on 11/16/2004 6:21:36 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Half a league, half a league rode the MSM into the valley of obscurity)
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To: kattracks

BARF ALERT

this is war people, are we teaching our soldiers they are not allowed to defend themselves???


10 posted on 11/16/2004 6:22:21 PM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: kattracks

Does shooting a female CARE volunteer in the head anger them?


11 posted on 11/16/2004 6:22:33 PM PST by msnimje
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"The shooting happened Saturday, one day after the Marine, who has not been identified, was wounded in the face and after another man in his unit was killed by the booby-trapped body of an insurgent."

I'd have shot the guy too. What's the problem here?

12 posted on 11/16/2004 6:22:55 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: kattracks

BEHEADINGS AND SHOOTINGS OF WESTERNERS, INCLUDING WOMEN, IN FALLUJAH TERRORIST CELL HOMES OUTRAGES AMERICANS.


13 posted on 11/16/2004 6:23:01 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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Angered are they?

These despicable SOBs deserve a lot worse than bullets.


14 posted on 11/16/2004 6:23:06 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: jarcolaNY

that poor woman they kidnapped, shot and beheaded...

sorry comparison; animals beheading helping females and a military man doing his job.....


15 posted on 11/16/2004 6:23:48 PM PST by bitt (I miss Teresa already.)
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To: kattracks

I am angered by stupid media photographers whose goal is to destroy our country.


16 posted on 11/16/2004 6:23:49 PM PST by NCjim
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To: kattracks

Beheadings anger me. Flying planes into tall buildings angers me.


17 posted on 11/16/2004 6:24:09 PM PST by BunnySlippers (George W. Bush is our president ... Get over it!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Blame this one on me. I'd take responsibility for this soldier who did what he needeed to do.I do not see a war crime though NBC will use this to try to cripple the war effort against an inhumane and monstrous enemy.


18 posted on 11/16/2004 6:24:18 PM PST by patso
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To: kattracks

raised questions about the protection of insurgents once they are out of action

I think that we should protect terrorists with a bullet.


19 posted on 11/16/2004 6:24:21 PM PST by mlmr (Rubbing it in Leftist faces since 1994)
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To: msnimje

No, they're very selective in their "anger".


20 posted on 11/16/2004 6:24:28 PM PST by kattracks
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