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Is Israel's Security Barrier Unique?
http://netwmd.com ^ | November 16, 2004 | Ben Thein

Posted on 11/16/2004 5:10:49 AM PST by stevejackson

On July 9, 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel's security barrier was a violation of international humanitarian law and human rights law. Eleven days later, the United Nations General Assembly voted 150-6 to condemn Israel and demand removal of the barrier. All twenty-five members of the European Union supported the motion.[1] The EU position would not have been so offensive had it not then undertaken an act of stunning hypocrisy. In August 2004, the EU put out tenders for companies to construct a European separation fence to prevent migration into the EU from countries excluded from it.[2] European officials undertook to build a wall less than one month after condemning Israel's barrier at the United Nations.

EU countries are not the only ones to display hypocrisy. Several states voting to condemn Israel themselves have built barriers on disputed land, often as a response to terrorism. Israel's decisions rest on firm precedent. India, for example, has built a barrier along its line-of-control with Pakistan. Following a number of violent confrontations with Yemeni soldiers and tribesmen, the Saudi Arabian government unilaterally began constructing a barrier on land disputed by its southern neighbor. Morocco has built a barrier against Algerian infiltration in the disputed territory of Western Sahara. Ironically, while both British foreign minister Jack Straw and Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gül condemned Israel's security fence, both their countries have built their own barriers to combat terrorism. In Cyprus, it is the U.N. itself that, at significant hardship to the local populace, sponsored a security fence reinforcing the island's de facto partition.

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1 posted on 11/16/2004 5:10:52 AM PST by stevejackson
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To: stevejackson
Don't forget Australia's dingo fence.


2 posted on 11/16/2004 5:25:26 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

I always thought that the fence would have been a good thing for the Palestinians as surely it means that Israel is guaranteeing them a state?

I think it is a good idea for Israel as it will stop suicide bombers and means that less fighting will occur and less incursions and chances for soldiers to get hurt in aciton.


3 posted on 11/16/2004 5:27:44 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: billorites

I believe that's the rabbit proof fence.

I wonder if the U.N. has taken a vote on the Great Wall of China. Or even the wall sections between the U.S. and Mexico.


4 posted on 11/16/2004 5:29:39 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: js1138

lol great comment!'

similarity with israel: the great wall of china was built to keep out primitive barbarian invaders


5 posted on 11/16/2004 5:34:28 AM PST by vikingsteve
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To: kingsurfer
"... as surely it means that Israel is guaranteeing them a state?"

And what a state it is!

The Green Line (on the map below) was established at the end of the 1948 war. It was never official, but was basically where hostilities ended. The Palestinians who left, or were driven out of, their homes settled in the West Bank.

Soon after the 1967 War, Israel started building settlements in the West Bank, some of which, by now, are quite large. This is important to point out in that it explains the location of the Israeli wall -- it goes into the West Bank (ie., over the "Green Line") to surround and protect these settlements.

Some Palestinians cities, like Qalqiliya, are completely surrounded by the wall (see below). Heck of a Palestinian "state", huh?


7 posted on 11/16/2004 5:53:45 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: kingsurfer
I always thought that the fence would have been a good thing for the Palestinians as surely it means that Israel is guaranteeing them a state?

You don't understand the Pali's. They want a state - all the way to the Mediterranean. The fence means they don't get Israel and they don't get to build on the ruins of a Jewish State, which is their clear objective.

8 posted on 11/16/2004 5:58:32 AM PST by doc30
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To: doc30

You don't understand the Pali's. They want a state - all the way to the Mediterranean. The fence means they don't get Israel and they don't get to build on the ruins of a Jewish State, which is their clear objective


Yeh. Damn my infernal logic.
If they could find a moderate non halfwit they could actually get their own state. It is a pity for them that no one has the intelligence to see it. It must suck to live under a jihadi dictatorship and it can't be that good to live next door either.


9 posted on 11/16/2004 6:02:00 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: doc30
The Arabs occupying Jewish land deserve no state at all.
10 posted on 11/16/2004 6:02:36 AM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: All

The wall so far reduced the number of terror attacks in Israel by 85%, and as soon as the wall will be built near Jerusalem, it will be 95%.

UN simply want to finish the work of the Nazis in the 1940s.
May the UN rest in hell together with Arafat and Hitler.


11 posted on 11/16/2004 6:03:25 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

The electrified fence in Kashmir, India has also been very effective in cutting down terrorist incursions there. Try coming close to it there, and it fries you worse than a potato wedge in hot oil!

Besides, they've employed ground sensors and night vision tracking systems to monitor the fence.


12 posted on 11/16/2004 6:22:30 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: kingsurfer
The fence is less a permanent structure and more a bargaining chip and security guarantee. By building it the Israelis finally found a way to go on the offense that didn't involve military conflict. And it had the second impact of thwarting the Pali suicide attackes. The subtlety of the approach is the slight encroachments into the West Bank. While not encompassing large land mass this really, really, ticks off the Palis and reminds them that had they done away with Arafat and accepted Oslo they would've had more than the Israelis are leaving behind the line.

So Israel has done a brilliant job of changing the agenda toward peace. Perhaps now that Arafat is burning in hell, the Palis will see the light.

13 posted on 11/16/2004 7:16:19 AM PST by tom h
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To: robertpaulsen
Heck of a Palestinian "state", huh?

If they get a "state" is should be on Uranus.

14 posted on 11/16/2004 7:19:39 AM PST by Alouette (When the wicked perish, there is jubilation! Proverbs 11:10)
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To: Alouette
"If they get a "state" is should be on Uranus."

Are you insane! Certainly not all of Uranus! Not the Israeli holy sites on Uranus!

It is written, somewhere I'm sure, that 6 million years ago, the Jewish people lived on Uranus, establishing many holy sites on the planet prior to coming to Earth.

But the kind and gentle Israelis are pleased to show their generosity by letting the filthy pig-dog devils of Palestinians settle Uranus on non-religious sites. They're free to settle on the Reykan Plains of Sulphurous Hell, the Frozen Peaks of Garbor, or the Sinking Sands of Lassan.

Their choice.

15 posted on 11/16/2004 7:46:47 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
The Palestinians can have all of Uranus. The Israelis, however, will keep Jewpiter.
16 posted on 11/16/2004 7:49:49 AM PST by Alouette (When the wicked perish, there is jubilation! Proverbs 11:10)
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To: tom h
"had they done away with Arafat and accepted Oslo they would've had more than the Israelis are leaving behind the line."

Accepted Oslo? Who would have accepted that POS offer?

The Palestinian "state" (in orange) looks like Indonesia -- without the water.


17 posted on 11/16/2004 7:58:24 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Isn't there a bulldozer somewhere you should be blocking?


18 posted on 11/16/2004 9:50:16 AM PST by Alouette (When the wicked perish, there is jubilation! Proverbs 11:10)
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To: Alouette
Speaking of bulldozers, is that you driving one down there during the construction of the Israeli "chain link fence"?


19 posted on 11/16/2004 9:58:34 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: stevejackson
The Belfast peace lines exist to prevent large-scale intercommunal disorders

Well, not exactly. These peace lines primarily stopped Protestant goon squads from raiding Catholic areas. The violence ran almost exclusively one way. (Fences didn't hinder the IRA or UDA much.) They also served to turn certain Catholic areas into loose prisons where limited access roads made it easier for British authorities to surveil the populace.

20 posted on 11/16/2004 10:52:44 AM PST by jordan8
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