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To: Gondring

well, if there was any muslim demonstration against these extremists over here in Holland, I'm afraid to say I must have missed it.

a recent poll (never trust a poll is my rule, but sometimes I'm willing to make an exception) said 40% think they ought to be deported out of Europe and 76% do not trust them (anymore).

Our politicians are all trying to condemn the violence happening from all sides (muslim extremists, neonazi wannabees, ultra leftist wacko's, they've all been at it) but they are not very successful up to now. But a lot of people feel too many politicians side with the muslims and cozy up to them too much, and all politicians who don't are literally in hiding because of death threats flying around 13 a dozen these days.

The only good thing, people are waking up here by the bushes, not just here in Holland, but also in Belgium and other countries, except... you guessed it... France. It could be too late, but then again it might not be. Not if I can help it anyway. And if it is, I know one wonderful country I would gladly live and work in.


632 posted on 11/16/2004 11:51:51 AM PST by William of Orange (Netherlands, undefeated in wars against France)
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To: William of Orange
well, if there was any muslim demonstration against these extremists over here in Holland, I'm afraid to say I must have missed it.

Here's a small one: Unity call by Dutch Muslims
"About 60 young Dutch Muslims wearing orange T-shirts reading 'We won't put up with extremism any more' cycled through Amsterdam stopping at mosques to protest against the murder.

They then joined a Dutch-Moroccan rally of several hundred in a park near the street where Van Gogh was killed."

"[...]Yesterday several hundred people of Moroccan decent marched in The Hague to protest the murder and call for a peacefull co-existence of the Netherlands' various communities. The protest was organised by several local Moroccan organisations."

Then there's this one... Many fear Dutch society has lost its famed tolerance after film-maker's murder
"At a short memorial gathering for Van Gogh in Amsterdam, attended by some 20,000 people, many Muslims showed up especially to demonstrate that they condemned the killing. Ikram, a 31-year-old mother, came to the rally with a sign saying 'Muslims against violence'."

I see there's also plans for a rally of 30,000 anti-violence Muslims in Germany. I think that these are encouraging, but there needs to be many more... with more widespread support of that sentiment.

692 posted on 11/16/2004 1:56:43 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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