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FReeper Canteen ~ Part II of The Mongols ~ November 16, 2004
www.coldsiberia.org ^ | November 16, 2004 | LaDivaLoca

Posted on 11/15/2004 7:57:52 PM PST by LaDivaLoca

 
 

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ANCIENT WARFARE





Part II of The Mongols

Mongol Military Might

Mediaeval historians used to assert that the Mongol military superiority was due to their overwhelming numbers. As we are now aware of, this is incorrect, and assertions of Mongol numerical superiority must be interpreted as partly a specious excuse for European inferiority when fighting against the Mongols in the battlefield. Even though they never fought against the most powerful warriors who ever existed in the West, the Celts, there is no doubt that the Mongols proved superior to all those whom they met in battle.

Quality, not quantity, was the key to the incredible unbroken line of Mongolian military successes. Since the spiritual aspects of this phenomenon has been covered elsewhere on these pages, what will be elucidated here is the technical details of their military performance, their equipment and their use of it.

Organization

Although supreme command lay in the hands of the Supreme Khan, the high Mongol principle of promotion to posts of leadership and authority on the basis of ability alone, introduced and enforced by Chingis Khan, resulted in an unmatched quality of troops from the ordinary soldiers to the top command. Each Mongol warrior was simply incomparably superior to their Western counterparts. This exceedingly high quality ensured the competence and integrity of the commanding leaders. Thus, leaders at every level could always be entrusted with a high degree of independence in the decisions and in the execution of the different moves and operations.

After the death of Chingis Khan in 1227, none of his successors inherited his genius. For this reason, the real command of the large armies rested with the generals he picked when he was still alive, although the princes of the blood held the nominal command. The diamond among all the generals of Chingis Khan was Subedei, whose mastery of every aspect of warfare, such as intelligence, psychological warfare, military tactics and strategy and logistics, won him a place in history as the mastermind of the great Mongol campaign in Russia and Europe during 1236-1242. Subedei as a man personified the best characteristics of the Mongol forces: caution, high intuition, great intelligence and understanding, mobility, alertness, speed and power. Other eminent Mongol generals worthy of note are Chepe and Muqali, the latter did much to secure Mongol victories in China.

The organization of the army was based on the decimal system. The largest unit was the tjumen, which was made up of 10.000 troops. A large army used to consist of three tjumens (Plural form t'ma in Mongolian), one consisting of infantry troops who were to perform close combat, the two others were meant to encircle the opponent from both sides. Each tjumen consisted of ten regiments, each of 1.000 troops. The 1.000 strong unit was called a mingghan. Each of these regiments consisted of ten squadrons of 100 troops, called jaghun, each of which was divided into ten units of ten, called arban. There was also an elite tjumen, an imperial guard which was composed of specially trained and selected troops. As for the command structure, the ten soldiers of each arban elected their commander by majority vote, and all of the ten commanders of the ten arbans of a tjumen elected the commander of a jaghunby the same procedure. Above that level, the khan personally appointed the commanders of each tjumen and mingghan. This appointment was made on criteria of ability, not age or social origin.

The commanders of tjumens and mingghans had the military title of noyon. A commander of a whole army, which as mentioned typically consisted of three tjumens or more of light cavalry and in addition several mingghans of artillery, carried the title of orlok. In other words, the orlok was the commanding general.

source: http://www.coldsiberia.org/monmight.htm

Next Tuesday, Part III of The Mongols




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To: LaDivaLoca; All
Good morning Troops, Veterans and Canteeners . . . Thank you for all you do for us.


41 posted on 11/15/2004 8:55:27 PM PST by HopeandGlory (Hey, Liberals . . . PC died on 9/11 . . . GET USED TO IT!!!)
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I see our Brit cousin at Fleet Street not too thrilled of Colin Powell resign WELL HELLO BRITS press if you stop messing with Powell maybe he stay SHEESH


Also UK Times is reporting Tony Blair told EU that we need work with our American cousins across the pond GOOD Idea EU HELLO


42 posted on 11/15/2004 8:55:32 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: All

November 16, 2004

As Is

Read: 2 Corinthians 5:14-21

If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. —2 Corinthians 5:17

Bible In One Year: Ezekiel 3-4; Hebrews 11:20-40


The beat-up old car sits on the used-car lot, rusty and forsaken. Years of abuse and hard driving have taken their toll on the formerly shiny automobile.

A man walks onto the lot and is attracted to this rust bucket. He plunks down cash and the salesperson hands over the keys while saying, "I'm selling you this car 'as is.'" The new owner just smiles; he knows his cars, and he's about to restore this castoff to its former beauty.

Across town, a troubled woman sits in forlorn sadness, contemplating where she went wrong. Years of abuse and hard living have taken their toll on what was once a vibrant young girl. She's been mistreated by others so many times that she feels she has little value anymore. And after making her own mistakes and living with her own bad choices, she's sure she will be left on life's junk heap forever.

But then someone tells her about Jesus. Someone mentions that Jesus specializes in castoffs, that He is waiting to transform anyone who trusts Him—even her. Someone tells her that Jesus will take her "as is." She believes. She trusts. And Jesus begins to restore another lost person to the abundant life He has promised. —Dave Branon

The new life in Christ has begun—
The past with its darkness is gone;
Look closer to see what the Savior has done,
For change is beginning to dawn. —Hess

Salvation is not turning over a new leaf, but receiving a new life.

43 posted on 11/15/2004 9:01:26 PM PST by The Mayor (Salvation is not turning over a new leaf, but receiving a new life.)
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To: PzLdr

You beat me to it.

Also, by the time of Julius Caesar, the Celts were in the process of having their tail repeatedly kicked by Germans.

JC moved in and killed something 1/3 like of all the (Celtic) Gauls, selling another 1/3 of them into slavery.

As it happened, the Romans conquered the Celts just before the Germans would have.

Other Celtic groups (Irish, Welsh, Scots) generally have throughout history been far too busy fighting and stabbing each other in the back to form themselves into effective military forces against outsiders. Celtic soldiers have been most effective when conquered and incorporated into the armies of their conquerors, when, to be fair, they have been amazingly effective.


44 posted on 11/15/2004 9:01:56 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: HopeandGlory

That's a beautiful pledge Hope!


45 posted on 11/15/2004 9:02:00 PM PST by AZamericonnie (They say I have ADD but they just don't understand.....oh look! A chicken!)
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To: Radix

No, I'm not trying to be contentious, but I don't consider the Celts the premiere warriors of ancient Europe. I think the Roman legions were. Does that mean they were perfect? No. Check Carrhae, Teutoberg Wald, every battle against Hannibal but Zama,Adrianople and their inability to defeat the Sassanids in Persia. Still, they conquered Europe, including Celtic Northern Italy, Celtic Iberia, Celtic Gaul,and Celtic Britain. So I'd pick them against the Celts, any time.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 9:07:05 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: AZamericonnie
A very good evening to you too.

Thanks For The PING

47 posted on 11/15/2004 9:25:30 PM PST by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY to 2008 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

FYI
FUNDRAISER:LAWSUIT: FREEPER SUED FOR ELECTION 2000 FREEP OF LIEBERMAN EVENT
self ^ | 11/15/04 | RaceBannon


Posted on 11/15/2004 8:17:15 PM CST by RaceBannon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1280785/posts

I am being sued for something that happened at the December 2000 Freep of Joe Lieberman.

JimRob has allowed me to hold an internet fundraiser to help defray the costs of my lawyers fees.

I am broke and thousands of dollars in debt, and depending on how much I can collect here, I amnot sure if I can continue or work to sign a mutual release if offered.

Right now, we have ended the discovery phase, and are awaiting the deposition of the man who accused me of assaulting him that day.

That charge is a lie.

The following story below is my short account of what happened that day.


Please help me on this fundraiser






I have been accused of something that I didn't do
And I am being sued for it!


On December 2, 2000, I held a rally in New Haven in front of then Vice Presidential candidate Joe Lieberman's house, doing what little I could to show support for the newly elected President Bush, and to show my frustration at the Democrats in their attempts to overturn the genuinely won election by George W. Bush.


At the end of the rally, Former Ct State Senator Tom Scott was speaking on the back of my truck, when all of a sudden the lead Democrat supporter of the counter rally held at the same location, started to approach my truck, then turned and took 3 or 4 running steps and jumped on the bed of my truck in a manner that I thought he was going to attack someone on the truck: either me or Tom.


I stepped to his side and held out my arm to stop him as he ran into my arm and immediately stopped his forward motion.


I kept my hand held out in front of him to prevent him from going forward on the truck bed and get closer to Tom who was speaking at the time.


After 3 seconds or so, the man who jumped on my truck immediately turned and jumped down off the truck into the arms of the Police who quickly escorted him away from my truck.


The whole incident lasted no more than 5 seconds it seems.


Tom and I decided to not press charges for assault or trespass on my truck, and let him go.


9 months later, the man filed suit against me for assault.


I am not joking.


9 months later.


He claims I grabbed his throat.


Look at the picture. This picture was taken December 2, 2000.


That is the man who claims I was grabbing his throat. My hand is on his chest, not his throat. My hand was NEVER on his throat, nor was it ever near his throat!






Why I made this website
Because of the lawsuit, I am forced to endure thousands of dollars of debt that I cannot afford. I have been employed only in temporary positions since 2001 when telecom collapsed, and am deep in debt.


This man is trying to use the legal system to get tens of thousands of dollars from me that does not belong to him, and he is doing it by claiming I assaulted him, which I did not do at all.








CAN YOU PLEASE HELP??
I am forced to ask, but can you consider donating to help me pay my legal fees?


Because of this false charge against me, I am now over $8000 in debt to my lawyer, and we cannot continue until I can pay my bill!


Could you please send me $5 or $10 or $20 to help my legal fees?


If you can, Please send a check or money order to me directly at:


Jim Bancroft
PO BOX 9002
Forestville, Ct 06011-9002



48 posted on 11/15/2004 9:40:48 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: AZamericonnie; LaDivaLoca

LaDiva! What a NICE THREAD! Thanks!!!

AZ...how's your footsie?


49 posted on 11/15/2004 9:47:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: All

Well World Tribune reporting tooo that IDF kinda worry that one of extremist offshoot group of PLO may want whack Mommand Abba put one of their own in head of PLO they might do it at end of Ramadan holiday


50 posted on 11/15/2004 9:55:15 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: rmlew

I don't know if you're aware of this, but the Khazars, who were being pressed by the Moslems on one side and the Orthodox from Kiev on the other, converted to Judaism. They controlled the southern step until the coming of the Pechenegs.


51 posted on 11/15/2004 9:55:23 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: tomkow6; Kathy in Alaska; All

Breaking news off Aussie Age wire train disaster happen in Queenland Austrila at this hour killing 20 passanger report is car ran into train

Yeah driver wasn't pay attention Darwin alert

Also another report off BBC wire witnesses are claim that 20 people are confirm dead after explosion at Brazil Oil plant at this hour

DAMN Disaster everywhere


52 posted on 11/15/2004 9:57:06 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

She's IN!...
President Bush will nominate Condoleezza Rice to replace Colin Powell as Secretary of State.

This is an email-able, copyright-ready graphic you can use in emails, on blogs, in flyers, on posters... anything that's noncommercial.


53 posted on 11/15/2004 9:57:58 PM PST by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: IPWGOP

AWESOME!!!!!!


You go girl!!!


54 posted on 11/15/2004 10:13:27 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: SevenofNine
SevenofNine #50!!!

55 posted on 11/15/2004 11:45:53 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: LaDivaLoca

Thanks, Diva, for the history of the Mongols. Hope all is well with you.


56 posted on 11/16/2004 12:24:49 AM PST by Kathy in Alaska (Support Our Troops! Operation Season's Greetings - www.proudpatriots.com)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Good morning, Tonk. How's it going?

And a very pleasant good morning to everyone at the Canteen and to all our military at homa and abroad. Thanks for your service for our country.

57 posted on 11/16/2004 3:02:01 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


58 posted on 11/16/2004 3:02:17 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: LaDivaLoca

Good morning, Diva. How's it going?


59 posted on 11/16/2004 3:02:37 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: LaDivaLoca; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; Severa; Bethbg79; southerngrit; ...

 

SALUTE!

 


60 posted on 11/16/2004 4:51:15 AM PST by tomkow6 (.......................they're coming BACKKKKKKKKKK!......to Camp Run-A-Muk.............)
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