Posted on 11/15/2004 1:59:37 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
North American national borders would be virtually eliminated under plans being considered by senior business and political leaders from Canada, the United States and Mexico for a "NAFTA-plus," continent-wide, customs-free zone with a common approach to trade, energy, immigration, law enforcement and security.
A tri-national task force, chaired by former Liberal Party deputy prime minister John Manley, with the full backing of all three governments, is plotting the roadmap for this new, bolder alliance meant to compete with the European Union. William Weld, former governor of Massachusetts and Pedro Aspe, former Mexican finance minister, join Manley on the panel that reports directly to the Council on Foreign Relations.
The mission has the formal blessing of Tom Ridge, U.S. Homeland Security secretary, who is close with President Bush.
The committee is scheduled to issue its report next spring.
The elimination of borders along the lines of the EU experiment seems to be high on the agenda of the panel.
"I think we've had 11 years of incrementalism, and during that time we've seen the EU expand its borders, eliminate borders among (member) countries and launch a common currency," explains Manley in the diplomatic magazine Embassy. "We're going to have to provide a vision that is more bold than incrementalism. What's the choice? Europe has made enormous steps in the years since NAFTA was signed. China has been going through a transformative process. In Canada, our only leverage is access to the U.S. market. If we're not going to develop and pursue how we use our advantage of location to be the foundation for future prosperity, then we are going to have to figure out another vision."
The "NAFTA-plus" plan has also been referred to as "deep integration." Skeptics see it as a plan to eliminate national sovereignty and erode the American concept of representative government accountable to the people under the framework of the Constitution.
Discussions so far indicate that Canada, under the new agreement, would immediately sign on to the U.S. strategic missile defense initiative. Canada would also make its vast lumber resources available to the U.S. and Mexican markets and provide more open access to the northern neighbor's oil, natural gas and hydro-electric power resources.
Other members of the task force include: Canadian Finance Minister Michael Wilson and Nelson Cunningham of Henry Kissinger's consulting firm, Kissinger McLarty Associates.
Kissinger -McLarty ... as in Mack McLarty from the Clinton
Arkansas mafia..?
This sounds like chain pulling (as WNW mostly is)..
"When did the CFR take over these united States of America?"
Didn't you know? The Bilderbergers, Skull & Bones, Trilateral Commission and the CFR have controlled the United States since 1948. *end sarcastic conspiracy theory*
(Seriously I saw a program on the History Channel with people that literally believed the CFR and the Bilderbergers ran the U.S.)
From the Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator Barry M. Goldwater
In the Bible story of David and Goliath we are told that David’s brothers, who were older and bigger than he, ordered David to stay home while they went into the valley to confront the enemy. When David joined them a day or so later, they rebuked him. He replied with a question: “Is there not a cause?”
To my mind there is a cause. That cause is freedom. We stand in danger of losing that freedom- not to a foreign tyrant, but to those well intentioned but misguided elitist utopians who stubbornly refuse to profit from errors of the past.
If I am right, if the Republic is in danger, then time is short. I must take this opportunity to share what I have seen and experienced as a member of the U.S. Senate, as my party’s nominee for the presidency, as a man whose only aspiration has been to serve the cause of freedom.
If I am wrong, time will display my error and reprimand me. If what I say strikes a response in the hearts and minds of other Americans, perhaps they will enlist in the cause to keep our country strong and to restrain those who seek to diminish the importance and significance of the individual. (Page 14)
The Nonelected Rulers
I believe the Council on Foreign Relations and its ancillary elitist groups are indifferent to communism. They have no ideological anchors. In their pursuit of a new world order they are prepared to deal without prejudice with a communist state, a socialist state, a democratic state, monarchy, oligarchy—it’s all the same to them.
Rear Admiral Chester Ward, USN (Retd.), who was a member of the CFR for sixteen years, has written, “The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common—they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the United States.” Their goal is to impose a benign stability on the quarreling family of nations through the merger and consolidation. They see the elimination of national boundaries, the suppression of racial and ethnic loyalties as the most expeditious avenue to world peace. Their rationale rests exclusively on materialism. They believe economic competition is the root cause of international tension. This approach dismisses as insignificant the form of government or the political ideology expressed by that form.
It may be that if the CFR vision of the future could be realized, there would be a reduction in wars, a lessening of poverty, a more efficient utilization of the world’s resources. To my mind, this would inevitably be accompanied by a loss of personal freedom of choice and the reestablishment of the restraints which provoked the American Revolution. (Pages 278-279)
With No Apologies
Barry Goldwater
No, it wouldn't solve
the problem. We'd just have to
rename the problem . . .
(It's like saying we
could "solve" the rape problem by
making rape legal . . .)
Oceanica, Pacifica, Eurafrica, yes it's all starting to take shape now.
Be careful, you'll have to commit suicide sooner than you think.
The US, Canada, and Mexico are joined at the hip, and laws that simplify trade relations between them, to me, only make sense.
But I want the border secured, period. Whatever it takes.
Right now we have a million immigrants a year entering the US, of which probably half are illegal. Who chose that number? Who decided that was a good number? When did we have this national discussion?
The answer is, of course, that we didn't have this discussion, it has been mostly off the table, out of bounds for polite discourse. But I want us to have this discussion, and now; immigration policy should serve the interests of the citizens, period. It should not be used as a tool to moderate wage levels, or affect voting demographics, again, "period".
Whatever number of immigrants we as a people decide to admit, it needs to be a number we can successfully assimilate, obviously, and whatever number that is will be a fiction unless we get control of the border.
I am as pro-Mexico as anyone on this site, and I have no problem granting them, along with Canadians, preference to people from other continents, but an open border is an assault on our sovereignty. Mexico does not open her border to central american immigration, she kicks out a couple hundred thousand each year. Remember this when they tell you that cheap labor is the key to our prosperity; if Mexico really believed that they would open their own border to unlimited Honduran immigration. But they don't. We shouldn't either.
"(US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives) "
Truth hurts. The republicans use the Christian conservatives just as surely as the democrats use blacks.
I believe that if Clinton had been trying to seal this new North American Trade deal, we would have all been raising supreme hell.
THE REVOLVING DOOR AT THE BORDER
By Michelle Malkin · November 10, 2004 04:59 AM
We got good news and bad news from the San Diego Union Tribune this morning.
The good news: Immigration authorities have detained 45 gang members in San Diego during the past five weeks and plan to deport them.
The bad news: Almost half of those arrested had previously been deported after serving prison terms. Their crimes include rape, robbery, and kidnapping.
A question: After they are re-deported, how long will it take them to re-re-enter the U.S.?
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000833.htm
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http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15864
Immigration: The New Third Rail By Michael Reagan
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 9, 2004
It was the elephant in the living room and during the
election nobody wanted to admit it was there, even though it represents one of the most serious threats to the future of America as we know it.
During the campaigns both parties shied away from even
mentioning illegal immigration, despite the fact that it was uppermost in the minds of millions of Americans now paying the price for our government’s failure to get a grip on the scandal.
With an estimated 8 million illegal aliens now already
here, thousands more are flocking across our southern borders and nobody in authority seems to have the vaguest notion of what to do about this onrushing flood inundating America’s border states.
snip...
The election is over and it’s now time to tackle the
problem and get it
under control before it controls us. We have emergency rooms closing every day in California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas where
they are being forced to take care of people who have absolutely no right to be here, instead of taking care of American citizens.
-snip
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Prefer Lower Numbers
Eighty percent (80%) of Carolinians said it should be harder for people to immigrate to the United States.
2003 Carolinas Poll, August 2004
Half of Americans (49%) want immigration reduced. Only 14% want to see it increased.
Gallup Poll, July 22, 2004
Eighty-five percent of Americans believe that "large number of immigrants entering the U.S." is an important threat to the vital interest of the United States in the next 10 years. Of those, 50% believe it is a "crticial threat."
Gallup Poll, February 2-12, 2004
Eighty-four percent of Americans worry about illegal immigration. Of those, 37% worry a "great deal" about it.
Gallup Poll, March 8-11, 2004
Sixty-four percent of Americans believe the U.S. has too much immigration.
Andres McKenna Research for the National Journal, January 1-25, 2004
Only 16% of Americans support the President's proposal to increase legal immigration numbers. Forty-five percent believe legal numbers should be reduced.
CBS News/New York Times Poll, January 2004
Three-fourths of North Carolinians think the United States admits too many legal immigrants.
Raleigh News and Observer, November 2003
84% of those who voted in the California recall election believe that stopping illegal immigration is important. Of those, 40% said stopping illegal immigration is extremely important. 64% of those who voted in the recall believe that illegal immigration has had a negative impact on California.
Luntz Poll, October 2003
Nearly 80 percent of Carolinians believe it's too easy to immigrate to the United States.
2003 Carolinas Poll, August 2003
76% of those polled prefer legal immigration less than current levels of almost one million a year. 58% of those polled prefer legal immigration levels of less than 300,000 a year. 86% of those polled believe illegal immigration is a serious problem.
RoperASW Poll, March 2003
Sixty-five percent of Americans feel dissatisfied with the level of immigration into the U.S. Of thouse, 34%
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/publicop.html
Fox, in promoting the illegals, once said they were a tremendous asset to our economy. Funny how he sees the same people as a liability to Mexico, and wants to make sure they leave the country.
Joseph Farah? Now there's an unimpeachable source.
If cheap labor were the key to economic growth, Mexico and Central America would be economic powerhouses. But they aren't. The reasons have nothing to do with the price of labor, and the basis of our economy similarly is not cheap labor.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that American culture has been shaped by expensive labor; our basically egalitarian culture is rooted in the fact that labor is expensive. Average people, traditionally, cleaned their own homes, fixed their own cars, cut their own grass and farmed their own farms because labor was expensive. As a consequence, people have been used to doing their own work, and the consequence of that is the practical know-how that was an American trademark.
Expensive labor brought about the classless society that Marxists dream about but only exists in the US.
Artificially cheap labor is the undoing of all that. As ordinary people increasingly find it possible to hire their work done, the basic egalitarianism that is our nature weakens, and the practical nature is replaced by a kind of superstition that is common to people who don't know how things get done or where things come from.
Mexico's dysfunction is due to its vague property laws, its ejido system that discourages agricultural investment, and its corrupted justice system. Solve its legal system and it will explode economically, it has plenty of talent and resources but they are stymied by the lack of legal clarity and certainty. Corruption, in other words. This is the same problem that hamstrings almost every economy south of the Rio Grande; lawlessness is not the result of poverty but quite the contrary it is the root of poverty.
The article below is an example of what is happening every day.
Robert, you may have heard about this one. Five out of 6 news articles didn't even bother to mention he was illegal.
http://www.democratherald.com/articles/2003/04/09/news/oregon/state03.prt
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Esparza pleads guilty to killing nun
KLAMATH FALLS (AP) - Maximiliano Silerio Esparza pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges that he raped two nuns and killed one of them as they walked and prayed on a bike path last September.
Esparza, 33, was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of Sister Helen Lynn Chaska, 53. He got another 10 years for the attempted murder of the surviving nun, and 15 years for raping the women.
In return for his guilty plea, Esparza avoided a possible death sentence.
In a statement, Edwin Caleb, the Klamath County district attorney, said he offered the plea for several reasons, including the surviving nun's religious convictions. Caleb said he didn't want to force the nun to testify.
"The most obvious reason is the certainty that this monster will be in jail for the rest of his life and never get the opportunity to offend again," he said.
Police say Esparza rode a train from Portland to Klamath Falls about a week before the attack. He visited a strip bar and then attacked the nuns early on a Sunday morning as they prayed on the downtown bike path.
Esparza head-butted one of the nuns, then raped them both while controlling them with the rosary beads around their necks, police said.
Chaska - who went by the name Sister Helena Maria - was strangled by her own beads, according to an autopsy. She was a nun with the Bellevue, Wash., Immaculate Heart of Mary, a small order unaffiliated with the Roman Catholic Church.
Several months before the attack, Esparza was detained and let go by U.S. Border Patrol agents in New Mexico even though he had spent three years in California prisons and had once been deported.
The agents did turn up an old drug charge in Oregon, but Multnomah County passed on extraditing him. The warrant was apparently the only evidence of Esparza's criminal past that surfaced during the checks.
Once Oregon declined to extradite, Esparza was treated like any other undocumented Mexican and was dropped off at the border.
I can see rewarding anyone from those countries who wishes to join the military service with citizenship --- they'd make excellent citizens. As far as the countries themselves --- El Salvador is fighting along side us in Iraq, proving they share our values --- not the cowardly Mexicans though who went the same direction as France and Spain. We owe the Mexican government nothing at all --- trade, student visas, and immigration deals should be built on cooperation in other areas.
Sad but true. When Fox decided to back France in the run-up to the war, when he decided to offer no help at all in Afghanistan, but most especially when he decided to throw in with the French at the UN, that really tore it with me.
I was fairly pro-Fox up until that time. After that, anything good I saw in Fox seemed irrelevant, and still does.
Frankly, I see him in much the same way I saw Chretien and still see Chirac. Any new initiatives with the Mexican government should wait until he departs office. That won't be long now anyway, so what's the hurry.
I wonder though if it would really be that easy. Mexicans have been having riots over Fox proposing some moderate changes to their almost bankrupt Social Security system -- and he didn't even mention raising the retirement age of 52 for teachers up. They have a 70% unionization rate and many actually believe life in the ejidos was pretty nice --- "alla en rancho grande" is how they fondly recall ejido life.
I've actually talked with ejidoderos who could have almost convinced me that was a nice life --- the equality and all -- the safety, the unlocked doors they had with their fellow ejido members. Almost like the HOA and gated communities you see here --- if another ejido member doesn't tow the line --- let's his pigs eat up your corn and doesn't pay you back you can get him kicked out of the ejido. Apparently many campesinos lost their ability to survive when privatization took place --- before the water rights were divided equally between the ejidos and each member -- rich and poor had the same rights -- but when one campesino has more water -- and the rich can buy more water rights --- the rest saw their portions of the ejido turn to dust.
Also you saw a lot of ejido members sell their portion --- for a big quinciniera party or wedding or the chance to head to the city for a factory job that wasn't there --- they ended up with nothing but the ability to go to the USA instead.
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