Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
Dear badmrbunny,
Hmm... I don't remember saying that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I guess that is what you're reduced to, in terms of debating tactics.
sitetest
The betrayal of perceived friends hurts more deeply than the expected hostility of known enemies.
This is the note I sent to all of the Republicans on the judiciary committed:
If you permit Arlen Spectre to chair the judiciary committe,
I am one of MILLIONS of Christians who will take it as a betrayal of everything we thought we were working for when we supported your party.
I can assure you -- if that happens, MILLIONS of us will either sit out the next elections, or give our votes to third or fourth parties.
It's not the open virulence of Democrats that hurts the most, BUT SUAVE BETRAYAL BY PERCEIVED FRIENDS.
Spectre today = loss of presidency, house, and senate by 2008. I can promise you that.
At one moment in time you were an infant, incapable of supporting or feeding yourself. You were reliant upon the protection and nurturing of someone else. Just an infant. Was it OK to kill you then? Why is it OK to kill a "fetus" or even an "embryo"? One day you will be an "invalid" or "terminal" or some other dehumanizing name for an elderly person incapable of supporting or possibly even feeding yourself. You may be reliant upon the protection and nurturing of someone else. Would it be OK to kill you then?
An embryo, a fetus, an infant, a toddler, a child - all are just titles for stages of human development. If you kill the human at infant stage, there is no more human - she is dead. If you kill him as a fetus, no human is born - he is dead. If you kill an embryo, you've still killed a human being - she will not progress to become a fetus, and infant, a child, an adult. You've denied her a chance to live and grow.
If you extract DNA from an embryo and analyze it does it appear to be monkey or cow DNA? No, it is human DNA. The embryo is a human being. At a very, very early stage in the development of that human being - well before most abortions are performed - the heart starts to beat and the brain starts to function. The exchange of oxygenated blood and nutrients takes place (albeit through the umbilical cord). He or she even moves independently. These are the very definitions of life and we've determined that the life is human. You can't deny that aborting a child is the taking of a human life no matter what de-humanizing euphemisms and rationalizations you attempt to use.
"When you're given the choice between quick euthanasia and extended torture ending in death, let's see you pick the latter."
Many heros, many Saints HAVE chosen the latter.
"The betrayal of perceived friends hurts more deeply than the expected hostility of known enemies."
Well said!
In fact the congress has had the authority to ride herd over these traitorous judged all along. One can only conclude they tacitly approve of the courts direction, while they safely hide their true aspirations behind those awful court decisions. All the while wringing their hands in agony over those awful judges, claiming their hands are tied.
It will continue until we the people become informed of our true heritage, but that is not likely. Check out the History book in your local Middle School, or High School. George Washington rates a single paragraph, Maya Angelou rates 6 pages.
Double dittos on that!
The churches did a good job in lining out the stark choices is the last election; and Christians and others informed by the Judeo-Christian patrimony made a difference.
We need to see some payback for that; otherwise, I do believe what the original post predicts will come to pass.
Well, ast least we agree on something.
Actually, while I agree with CPforLife's sentiment, I disagree with his tactics. Threatening the Republican Party will gain nothing. His tone defeated much of his argument. I was about to post something to him about that when I saw your posts and felt compelled to respond.
As for the volume on the rhetoric and trying to win some liberals to our side, he didn't post his message in a liberal site or on a news site - he posted it on a conservative web site. He wasn't trying to win liberals to the cause.
bttt
"Ok, so when the sperm hits the egg, that is the crossover point into being just as valuable and worthy of protection as a 2 month old or 20 year old?"
Yes - that is the point that a brand new, genetically complete human being is conceived. No other human being has the right to kill it.
Once we propose a right to kill the innocent, we forego our own humanity. We become no different in kind from the Bin Laden's and Al-Zarqawi's of this world - from that point it is just a matter of degree.
Dear Skywalk,
No, actually, you were never a sperm, nor an unfertilized ovum. Either that, or you were both an unfertilized ovum AND a sperm - in which case, you were two separate and distinct entities at the same time.
No, your unique individuality came into being, who you are, the start of your existence, when a sperm fertilized and ovum.
As to comparing "value" between one human being and another, I don't play that game. "All men are created equal..."
All individual human beings enjoy the same endowment of natural rights.
sitetest
sitetest
To read later.
At what point do you believe that abortion should be restricted?
On 9/11, God let us see in one hour what His omniscient eyes see happening in secret every day in American -- the slaughter of 3,000+ innocents.
And that is not opinion. It is a scientific fact.
The crux of the argument revolves around a recognition of Who is ultimately in charge, God or man. The Founding Fathers, to a man, all knew the correct answer to that.
The woe of the modern age is that men have forgotten God.
If you don't want to be pregnant keep your pants on, it's not a hard concept. It is the contraceptive mentality that regards pregnancy as a disease in need of a cure and the absolute right to promiscuity without consequences as sacrosanct.
There will be fewer "unwanted pregancies" if there are consequences for one's actions, as the article I posted makes clear. I encourage Christian charity to those that make mistakes, not to serial murderers.Charity is not always a handout, it is a spiritual work of mercy to rebuke the sinner.
Suppose an ObGyn aborts a fetus in an operation designed to save the mothers life. Do we bring him up on charges of murder and let a court decide his guilt or innocence?
First of all this is extremely rare, less than 1/2 of 1% of all abortions in the US have anything to do with the health of the mother.
There is a moral solution to this tho - it's called the law of double effect. The direct killing of an innocent is always and everywhere forbidden, however if you have a situation where the pregnancy would endanger the life of the mother (ectopic or similiar) removing the child intact is permitted, as an indirect consequence the child will die.
Maybe we just leave everything to nature as god intended it, and returning to a 10% death rate for pregnant women will be ok.
I don't know where you get your fabricated statistics but you have got it half right, leave everything to nature as God intended it.
While I would encourage all to choose life, rather than abortion, I fail to see the wisdom of forcing anyone..
Just as prohibition did not work for alcohol, prohibition will not work for abortion.
People will do what they feel is right for them, whether it is against the law or not.
And I will not force a victim of rape or incest (which is almost always,also rape) to go through 9 months of forced torture simply for the sake of the child. (especially in the case of incest, where often the mother is still a child herself )
The only true answer is a broad socially conscious change in attitude toward, and responsibility for the creation of life.
One way of doing that is to stop being so publicly "understanding" of people who choose to abort.
We must stress the importance of life without threat, but still refusing to condone it as a correct choice.
We must make people understand that abortion, simply for "convenience" is an immoral, despicable, sinful choice.
And we must hammer that into the skulls of everyone we meet, whenever the subject arises..
When enough people change the way they think about the unborn, and begin to respect the promise of new life, and then take responsibility for bringing it into this world, and protecting and raising it to adulthood, there will be no need for laws against abortion.
It just won't happen very often..
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