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1 posted on 11/12/2004 4:57:53 PM PST by Hotdog
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Oh dear God in heaven. I never really knew how the procedure was performed. Don't think I really wanted to know. Now that I have read this, and cried, it is even more a sickening practice that simply MUST be stopped.

How anyone could have that knowledge and not agree that it is murder is beyond me.


2 posted on 11/12/2004 5:05:33 PM PST by conservativebabe
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I have ultrasound pictures of my daughter sucking her thumb and she continued to suck her thumb when she was tired or upset until she was 6.

I was hoping that the article would have some pictures.


3 posted on 11/12/2004 5:06:49 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (In the smiling twilight of the new political morning, the unwashed told their betters to shove it.)
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"Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms - everything but the head. The doctor kept the baby's head just inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors through the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch, a startled reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening and sucked the baby's brains out."

That is sick. That is murder.
4 posted on 11/12/2004 5:07:16 PM PST by BJClinton (And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be ....?)
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Pro-life/pro-baby ping!

WARNING: Graphic. And Necessary.


7 posted on 11/12/2004 5:09:42 PM PST by cgk (The Left was beaten by Pres Bush twice & will never have another shot at him... who's dumb?)
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Here are some great pics!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/3847319.stm

If partial birth abortion is needed to save a womans life, why do ambulances take Pregnant women to hospitals and not abortion clinics?


11 posted on 11/12/2004 5:34:54 PM PST by Free2BeMe
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Campbell discovered that babies at just eight-weeks gestation move their limbs. At 11- to 12-weeks gestation they leap, turn and jump.

Bump for life.

13 posted on 11/12/2004 5:56:36 PM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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I hope this technology spreads quickly even down to rural regional hospitals. A 'full discolosure' law might include one of these 3-D tapes or still images for the carrying mother to consider overnight (24 hour waiting period) before making a final decision. If we can't topple Roe (and I think we can), then force them to face the real facts.


15 posted on 11/12/2004 6:06:18 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (From Ku Klux Klan to the modern era of the Koo Kleft Klan...the true RAT legacy.)
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The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a "person" within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, [410 U.S. 113, 157]   for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. The appellant conceded as much on reargument. 51 On the other hand, the appellee conceded on reargument 52 that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.

from Roe v. Wade

I think ultrasound establishes that an unborn baby is a "person." Unfortunately it took a war to convince the "South" that African Americans were "persons", and it took another war to convince the Germans that Jews were "persons." We now in a war to convince radical moslems that christians are "persons." What will it take to convince the American Left that the unborn are "persons."

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

The language to me suggests that there are "persons" other than those "born or naturalized." Would not that imply that the unborn was one of those "persons?"


17 posted on 11/12/2004 6:07:28 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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BTTT


19 posted on 11/12/2004 6:09:50 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Awesome article! Thank you for posting that, gruesome as it was. I agree with the others that stated this information should be shared far and wide.

Are people really that stupid to not understand that what's growing in them is a human being? Or are they just that selfish? People are lined up around the block to adopt babies! People spend their life savings going to other countries to adopt babies! Your baby WILL have a loving home if you can set your life and your selfishness on hold for a mere nine months. Be thankful you're not an elephant; pregnant for nearly two years, LOL!

I have an Ex-friend who asked me to take her to a doctor's appointment once. She told me she had had a miscarriage and needed a D&C and that her hsuband was unavailable to take her that day. While I was waiting for her at the clinic, the nurse chatted with me and I found out that she was actually having an abortion! She tricked me, because of course she couldn't have her husband take her there, as he wants kids. And she doesn't. And it's HER body. And blah, blah, blah!

I left her there. Haven't spoken with her since. B*tch.


22 posted on 11/12/2004 6:29:05 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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The Peterson jury just found the scumbag husband guilty of first-degree murder of Laci, and second-degree murder of their unborn son, Connor.

"Murder" is deliberate homicide -- the intentional killing of a person.

Would some pro-choice individual please explain why the "procedure" described above is not murder, since the killing of Connor Peterson (in his mother's womb) was "murder"?


25 posted on 11/12/2004 7:00:54 PM PST by TXnMA
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If they think abortion will go their way if put to a vote they are sadly mistaken. The biggest travesty is that we haven't passed an amendment against it and that we're banned from presenting people with evidence of what happens in an abortion. Two weeks of 30-second ads of the real consequence and life would be very different.


26 posted on 11/12/2004 7:12:24 PM PST by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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It is murder, plain and simple, of our most defenseless citizens.
28 posted on 11/12/2004 7:26:22 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Open questions to all:

1) Is it really a lack of "knowledge" that allows people to have and perform abortions or, do they do it knowing the truth? Think about it. Do we really know they truly believe a fetus isn't life?

2) Does having had an abortion force some women to remain "pro-choice?" That is, do they fear a change would make them feel responsible/guilty?

Again, these are open questions the answers to which change the way the issue is approached to some degree.


29 posted on 11/12/2004 7:33:49 PM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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"As more and more parents and grandparents see their pre-born children and grandchildren jumping or pulling on their ear while in the womb, more and more will start saying life does begin at conception." Forgive me, but I would make one correction to what this Lady wrote: "As more and more parents and grandparents see their pre-born children and grandchildren jumping or pulling on their ear while in the womb, more and more will start saying lifeat least one individual's lifetime does begin at conception.
32 posted on 11/12/2004 8:26:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Then the doctor stuck the scissors through the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch...

Dear God in heaven... I can't stop crying for a while...

Can any conscious human being not be shocked and sickened by this??? Can any such doctor/monster honestly believe he is honoring the Hippocratic Oath after he has committed such an atrocity???

Heaven help us...

34 posted on 11/12/2004 8:39:26 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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All one has to do is study basic high school biology.

the 23 chromosome haploid egg and sperm combine to form one very distinct and genetically unique individual diploid 46 chromosome cell which begins to grow and reproduce cells on its own. It's a human.


35 posted on 11/12/2004 9:19:33 PM PST by Coleus ( www.catholicTeamLeader.com)
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Baby bump


42 posted on 11/12/2004 9:42:14 PM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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And one more thing...if, at that late stage of pregnancy, the mother's life really is in jeopardy, why not just delivery the baby anyway? I know that if it were me, I at least would want to say good-bye, if it were truly done to save my life. (Although I am not sure I would have labor induced under those circumstances, anyway)

Obviously, this argument holds very little water with me.


44 posted on 11/12/2004 9:46:16 PM PST by bugmommy
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Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

49 posted on 11/12/2004 10:08:04 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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