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Kerry Strategists: Clintonistas Torpedoed Our Campaign
NewsMax.com ^ | Nov. 12, 2004 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/12/2004 10:06:13 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax

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To: Carl/NewsMax
Kerry's brother Cameron agreed, telling Huffington, "There is a very strong John Kerry narrative that is about leadership, character and trust.

Uh, no there's isn't.

81 posted on 11/12/2004 10:55:04 AM PST by badbass (The wolf is always at the door, and the barbarian is always at the gate.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Any Democrat candidate who turns to one or more members of the old Clinton team for help on the campaign trail is asking for trouble -- for one basic reason . . .

Clinton campaign staff were never really "successful" to begin with; their only noteworthy success was to take a Democratic challenger in 1992 and get 43% of the popular vote. Were it not for Ross Perot, Clinton would have been consigned to the dustbin of history in November of 1992 . . . and nobody would have heard another peep from folks like Mike McCurry, George Stephenopolous, James Carville, Howard Ickes, etc.

It should come as no surprise, therefore, that very few of the Clinton cronies have ever had much success in politics since then. This -- more than any kind of nefarious intent on their part (on behalf of Hillary) -- is the REAL story behind their poor performance in recent years.

82 posted on 11/12/2004 11:02:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Get over it, losing strategists. Your candidate was flawed from the get-go, unappealing, unattractive, incoherent, untrustworthy. Clinton had nothing to do with that.


83 posted on 11/12/2004 11:04:25 AM PST by Veto! ((Opinions freely dispensed as advice))
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To: twigs
But from what I could see, they helped Kerry tighten up the campaign in the final days.

Exactly. Thune is whining because the Clintonistas showed us what an inept campaign he was running. It was Bill hisself that told Querry to come out against gay marriage--a piece of advice he probably should have taken.

84 posted on 11/12/2004 11:05:39 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: randog

Not Thune. Kerry?


85 posted on 11/12/2004 11:09:43 AM PST by twigs
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To: twigs
I too was suspicious when the Clintonistas came on board. But from what I could see, they helped Kerry tighten up the campaign in the final days.

I agree, I think that they did help kerry in the final days. This is a blame anyone but kerry game.

86 posted on 11/12/2004 11:13:39 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Greek

I don't think the Clintonista's were trying to sabotage Kerry's campaign. They were just replaying Clinton's first campaign. Then "It's the economy, stupid" worked. This focus on the economy deflected focus on Clinton's character (eg.,Jenifer Flowers).

But that was then and this is now. After 8 years of Clinton, people did focus on character and values and liked what they saw in George W. How could the Kerry campaign counter this? How could they highlight Kerry's character? Especially after the SwiftVets called into question Kerry's valor and honor.

Frankly, I'm surprised Kerry did as well as he did. It shows you the level of the ABB people. Sad.


87 posted on 11/12/2004 11:17:14 AM PST by jmhfnyc
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To: twigs

My mistake--'Thune' should be 'Thorne', Kerry's whining ex-bro-in-law.


88 posted on 11/12/2004 11:29:42 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Poor Babies. 'We should have wonnnnn.'


89 posted on 11/12/2004 11:30:27 AM PST by meema
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To: Carl/NewsMax

It's simple. No matter how you dress up a pig, it's still a pig. What's so hard about understanding that?


90 posted on 11/12/2004 11:39:04 AM PST by meatloaf (Who's next on the list after we nail Specter?)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

It's simple. No matter how you dress up a pig, it's still a pig. What's so hard about understanding that?


91 posted on 11/12/2004 11:39:29 AM PST by meatloaf (Who's next on the list after we nail Specter?)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

whatever the reason, the result is good


92 posted on 11/12/2004 11:44:37 AM PST by treeclimber ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." GWB 2001)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

"There is a very strong John Kerry narrative that is about leadership, character and trust."

Oh, you mean the part about becoming a member of a Secret Society at Yale where all members were trained in the art of deception...

Or the part about coming back from Vietnam and accusing himself and his fellow Vets of War Crimes...

Or the part about being an active participant and beneficiary of a totally corrupt Massachusetts Democratic Party political machine...

Or the part about letting his billionaire wife refer to the late Senator Heinz as "her husband" while she wore the pants in the family...

Or the part about selling his house in France because he was concerned it would be a campaign liability....

Or the part about figuring out he was against the War In Iraq after Howard Dean made it an issue...

Or the part about being an arrogant a..hole with everyone he met who could not advance his political career....

The only ways the campaign could have pushed "character, leadership, and trust" as issues would be with Spin Doctors working long hours making up lie after lie after lie after lie.


93 posted on 11/12/2004 11:59:14 AM PST by cgbg
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To: JFK_Lib
Kerrey's folks are smoking some bad crack.

Is that the crack you're talking about?

94 posted on 11/12/2004 12:10:27 PM PST by Thebaddog (I'm a doggy relaxing with four feet in the air until the next fight.)
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To: rotstan

It was Bush's fault!


95 posted on 11/12/2004 12:35:45 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Twelve days before the election, James Carville stood in a Beverly Hills living room surrounded by two generations of Hollywood stars. After being introduced by Sen. John Kerry’s daughter, Alexandra, he told the room — confidently, almost cockily — that the election was in the bag.

“If we can’t win this damn election,” the advisor to the Kerry campaign said, “with a Democratic Party more unified than ever before, with us having raised as much money as the Republicans, with 55% of the country believing we’re heading in the wrong direction, with our candidate having won all three debates, and with our side being more passionate about the outcome than theirs — if we can’t win this one, then we can’t win shit!”

ROFLMAO!

Here's a link to the rest of the article.


96 posted on 11/12/2004 12:48:48 PM PST by ppaul
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To: christie

Ping.


97 posted on 11/12/2004 1:01:59 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Southack; Carl/NewsMax
Kerry shoulda known better than to hire Clintonistas. Freepers all knew this in advance. How utterly foolish of him, especially with Clinton's day-after remarks that rubbed salt in Kerry's bloody wound.

The ONLY thing the Dems had on Bush was and still is,

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and the problem it poses for the War on Terror.

THIS is why Ashcroft resigned, I'm SURE.

If the Dems had the balls to go after Rinos and Bush on illegal immigration, they would have won the election.

Because even I would have had to think twice about voting for our dear President then.

I'm mad at him this week after months of prayerful intercession for his success at the polls.

God won this election but God's purposes now need to be driven home.

The Bible says that a faithless people will be overrun by foreign aliens.

Bush can't keep swinging the doors open for illegal invaders.

God's views on the sanctity of marriage and abortion now need to be made law again in our country.

All this Rovish waffling on stuff makes me feel like a sucker, though at least Kerry ain't in.
98 posted on 11/12/2004 2:33:02 PM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I love it when they eat their own.


99 posted on 11/12/2004 3:08:29 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Top strategists with John Kerry's presidential campaign are blaming his crushing defeat last week on... blah, blah, blah....
Yeah, blame everyone except the ijit candidate. These simpletons ignore the elephant in the room which IS; of all the people who voted 'for' sKerry, 70% who did REALLY voted against Bush. That's a fact jack, deal with it. 'Your' candidate SUCKED.
100 posted on 11/12/2004 3:09:03 PM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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