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What If Islam Triumphed?
Capitalism Magazine ^ | November 11, 2004 | Edward Cline

Posted on 11/11/2004 7:47:58 AM PST by presidio9

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To: Modernman
The Germans were perhaps the most educated, civilized and technologically advanced people in the world in 1939. They ended up using all of the resources of their nation to build death camps and crush their neighbors.

Once the people of Europe decide to deal with the Islamic threat within their borders, I think even the most gung-ho of FReepers will be shocked at their ruthlessness.

I don't agree. In 1939, it was easy to see who the enemy was. That was a first generation invasion. Germans didn't belong in France and that was that.

Europe is in its third generation of muslim immigration. its going to be devilishly hard to tell who the enemy is. Not to mention that aside from hunting equipment, few are armed but you can guarantee that the islamics are going to be well armed. they'll have the best arms that oil money can buy.

I think the analogy with 1939 Germany is simplistic at best.

Godspeed

41 posted on 11/11/2004 3:29:50 PM PST by America's Resolve (The countdown timer to Eurabia is ticking! Tick, Tick, Tick - "Theo rests his case.")
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To: misusu21

The French have already surrendered along with the French part of Belgium. The UK is close as they allow muslims to flood in. Sweden also may go muslim as muslims control the 3rd largest city.

The Western Europeans face a choice. It will be interesting to see if the Dutch fight it out. I hope they do. Eastern Europe does not want to be Muslim and the Poles saved Western Europe from Islam in 1683.


42 posted on 11/11/2004 3:33:20 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Ted Kennedy Democrat Bush = Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: John Will
Us, India and New Europe will have to take on Islam.

I see a three way axis in Eurasia against the Islamic World, Russia and the former Communist Bloc countries (the New Europe you talked about), India, and Red China along with the US/UK. Red China I feel can be and is a threat to us but for now we are all in the same boat, Red China is just as concerned as we all are about radical Islam, recently I've heard they had some clashes in one of their provinces.
43 posted on 11/11/2004 3:41:56 PM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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To: FrankRepublican

An excellent article which chronicles the dangers of a totally intolerant Islam.


44 posted on 11/11/2004 6:09:52 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Ted Kennedy Democrat Bush = Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: tonycavanagh

You are delusional if you buy this idea of a moderate Islam.


45 posted on 11/11/2004 6:11:07 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Ted Kennedy Democrat Bush = Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: dighton

Thanks!

I actually haven't read 1985 - I think it's been out of print for a number of years? I don't think I've never seen it on a bookstore shelf, but I know that's no excuse what with all the sellers offering used copies online ;-)


46 posted on 11/12/2004 6:23:04 AM PST by ClockworkO
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To: FrankRepublican
The French have already surrendered along with the French part of Belgium. The UK is close as they allow muslims to flood in. Sweden also may go muslim as muslims control the 3rd largest city.

It's interesting to note that despite what people think, the countries you mentioned have pretty small Muslim populations. According to islamicweb.com, whose numbers are probably overblown for propaganda purposes, 2.7% of England's population is Muslim, 7% for France, 3.6% for Sweden and 4% for Belgium.

Let's not forget that these Muslim groups like CAIR consistently fudge the numbers on the number of Muslims in certan countries. CAIR claims to represent the 10 million Arabs in this country, but they leave out the fact that of that 10 million a very large percentage are actually Christian Arabs. Jacksonville, for example, has a significant Christian Arab population that's been in the US for a century or so.

When Muslims groups say they are taking over the West, you need to take what they say with a grain of salt.

47 posted on 11/12/2004 7:14:42 AM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: chaosagent

Um, thanks for pinging me to my own thread.


48 posted on 11/12/2004 7:57:11 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: ClockworkO

Solution : Encourage immigration from non-muslim countries like India, China, Sri Lanka, Thailand etc - viz people who integrate easily and would act as an effective counter to the Muslims.


49 posted on 11/12/2004 11:17:56 PM PST by bilrak
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To: misusu21

Now, how can we do something effective about it?


50 posted on 11/12/2004 11:27:24 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: airborne
Curiously, the cities that have large muslim populations (muslim terror cells) are are John Kerry "blue states"!

There's one of the concentrations in Oklahoma too

51 posted on 11/12/2004 11:30:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: Old Professer

Yeller! Where are ya, boy? ;^)


52 posted on 11/12/2004 11:40:33 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: presidio9
In the name of multiculturalism, diversity, toleration, and non-judgment, the Europeans have allowed their societies to become infiltrated by an enemy bent on their conversion or conquest.

"In the name of multiculturalism, diversity, toleration, and non-judgment, the Democrats have allowed their society to become infiltrated by an enemy bent on their conversion or conquest."

53 posted on 11/12/2004 11:46:22 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: airborne
Florida is RED...yet there is a HUGE mosque (terror cell!) in Florida.

Past time for you to rethink your statement.

54 posted on 11/12/2004 11:58:07 PM PST by nopardons
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To: presidio9
Can it happen here, in the United States? Possibly.

I don't know why the author copped out at the end by saying its possible that muslims in America will do the same as their bloody brethren have done all over the world.

They will kill, rape and murder American "infidels"just like any other. Their so-called holy book and prophet demand it and as soon as they gain the necessary strength and numbers, the killings will commence right here in the good ole USA!

You can count on that!

55 posted on 11/13/2004 12:04:52 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man

They have already commited islamic rituals. I recall that a man in detroir killed his two sister because they brougth shame to the family (honour-killing)


56 posted on 11/13/2004 12:08:19 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: misusu21

"A french presidential hopeful just published a book in which he promotes the idea of the state funding for Mosques"


You really need to understand the context for that decision. First of all, the church receives state funding in most countries in Europe. One can chose to pay €50 each month from your paycheck to the church tax if you want (can also opt out).

The separation is not enshrined in the constitutions like in the US.

In France, all mosques are getting their support from Muslim organizations. Unfortuantely, the ones that seem to have the most money are the most extreme (Saudis often).

The idea is to build moderae mosques with moderate imams trained in France to attract the masses. It would then be easier to isolate and keep a close eye on (or deport)the extremists.

Thus, it is a very sensible proposal. Perhaps not as sensible as mass deportation, but maybe someday.


57 posted on 11/13/2004 12:12:12 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (When you are driving toward a wall, you probably should not accelerate.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

i was MISUSU21. You are wrong. In france there is no establishment of religion, because of something called the French Revolution.


58 posted on 11/13/2004 12:14:11 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: ArmedNReady
Based on your tagline, I wanted to ask you if you ever noticed that Islamists in Europe are actually the very embodiment of what the Nazis said that Jews were.

Whereas Jews were fully integrated, productive and contributing members of society who just happened to have a different religion.

The Islamists really are leeches and vermin that aim to destroy a nation from within like a cancer (mixing metaphors here).

Kind of ironic in a sick sad way.
59 posted on 11/13/2004 12:16:02 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (When you are driving toward a wall, you probably should not accelerate.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

They integrated so well into european societiy, because they held jewish mores which are the forefathers of ours(chirstian).


60 posted on 11/13/2004 12:18:36 AM PST by Haro_546
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