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To: helmetmaker
(1) If intelligent design is magic, then every appliance in your house is a magical talisman.

(2) If Darwinism can't be tested experimentally and must be taken on faith, how is that different from magic?

11 posted on 11/11/2004 5:11:28 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Last I saw, no one has ever been recorded/observed making a species.


12 posted on 11/11/2004 5:17:07 AM PST by stacytec
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To: wideawake
(1) If intelligent design is magic, then every appliance in your house is a magical talisman.

Two words. Yugo. Microsoft. ;-)

(I was just kidding!)

(2) If Darwinism can't be tested experimentally and must be taken on faith, how is that different from magic?

Magic has perjorative connotations within the scientific community. (Go back to the middle ages / enlightenment when empiricism, mysticism, 'quackery', and scholasticism were all beginning to distentangle themselves).

Science is based on observation under controlled conditions. Its applicability to ordinary life varies depending on how closely factors which cannot be controlled for in the laboratory, come into play under 'everyday' conditions. For many circumstances, it does pretty d*mn well.

But this does not stop it from being questioned, e.g. Physics Today once had a reference to a traffic accident lawyer who won a case by convincing the jury (my paraphrase) "The laws of Physics are obeyed in the laboratory, but not on the streets of rural New Jersey." Even allowing for the fact that it was a (shudder)lawyer, this demonstrates that Luddites need not be populated exclusively from the ranks of "fundamentalists" (another popular term among scientists).

Cheers!

22 posted on 11/11/2004 5:37:46 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: wideawake

1. God would not make mistakes in design, as the designer of your washing machine did. Why do we need vitamin C to survive? What does the appendix do and why does its removal when infected not harm us, but the infection does?
No, intelligent design is simply superstition and faulty theology disguised as science.
2.Science is not all about experimentation. It is collection and analysis of data, too. Over the last 150 years, millions of data points have been collected, not one of them contradicting Darwin's Hypothesis, which elevates the hypothesis to a Theory (a Theory is a fact of science).
If any contradiction of any element of the Theory or the Theory as a whole is obtained, science would immediately drop it. However, Darwin explains how biology has worked and is working today. It is observable today in genetics.

Both faith and science are founded on fact. However, belief in God is a leap of faith that science does not cover. Do you deny that Jesus existed? If so, this is the same as denying Darwin's ideas. Do you believe Jesus existed-faith founded on fact.



24 posted on 11/11/2004 5:39:29 AM PST by shubi
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