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To: wideawake

1. God would not make mistakes in design, as the designer of your washing machine did. Why do we need vitamin C to survive? What does the appendix do and why does its removal when infected not harm us, but the infection does?
No, intelligent design is simply superstition and faulty theology disguised as science.
2.Science is not all about experimentation. It is collection and analysis of data, too. Over the last 150 years, millions of data points have been collected, not one of them contradicting Darwin's Hypothesis, which elevates the hypothesis to a Theory (a Theory is a fact of science).
If any contradiction of any element of the Theory or the Theory as a whole is obtained, science would immediately drop it. However, Darwin explains how biology has worked and is working today. It is observable today in genetics.

Both faith and science are founded on fact. However, belief in God is a leap of faith that science does not cover. Do you deny that Jesus existed? If so, this is the same as denying Darwin's ideas. Do you believe Jesus existed-faith founded on fact.



24 posted on 11/11/2004 5:39:29 AM PST by shubi
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To: shubi
1. God would not make mistakes in design, as the designer of your washing machine did. Why do we need vitamin C to survive? What does the appendix do and why does its removal when infected not harm us, but the infection does?

No need to dip into arcana. Why not ask: why can't we fly? Why do we have to eat or sleep?

What you perceive as a "mistake" may not actually be one.

No, intelligent design is simply superstition and faulty theology disguised as science.

Calling ideas names doesn't invalidate them. I'll add that you don't seem to understand what the word "superstition" means and that you're not well-versed enough in theology to determine what in the discipline is "faulty".

Science is not all about experimentation. It is collection and analysis of data, too.

Absolutely. Once data is collected and verified it can be used to construct a theory which can then be tested. Observation is a necessary precondition to experimentation and an essential part of the scientific method.

Over the last 150 years, millions of data points have been collected, not one of them contradicting Darwin's Hypothesis,

That's simply incorrect.

which elevates the hypothesis to a Theory (a Theory is a fact of science).

Incorrect again. A theory is not a "fact of science" - it is the working model under which scientific inquiry operates.

If any contradiction of any element of the Theory or the Theory as a whole is obtained, science would immediately drop it.

That's an extremely naive statement. The scientific community was so dedicated to Newtonian mechanics that for decades it refused to consider that Newton's model might not subsume all mechanics. Phlogiston theory is another paradigm that preoccupied chemists for more than a century.

Historically, scientific theories hang on as ruling paradigms for quite a long time after they should have been discarded.

However, Darwin explains how biology has worked and is working today. It is observable today in genetics.

Darwinism does not explain modern biology. Mendelian genetics does, and Mendelian genetics - the real way physical characteristics are passed on from generation to generation - demonstrates the difficulties in the Darwinian hypothesis. Genetics shows that mutations are continually rejected by populations and that reversion to the mean is characteristic of genetic variation.

Both faith and science are founded on fact.

True. As St. Augustine said, God wrote two books - the Scriptures and Nature.

However, belief in God is a leap of faith that science does not cover.

Incorrect. God's existence is a matter of fact, not of faith. What God has revealed about Himself, or whether He has revealed anything at all, is the subject of faith.

Do you deny that Jesus existed? If so, this is the same as denying Darwin's ideas.

That's just silly. Christ existed and Darwin had ideas.

The fact that Darwin had ideas does not mean his ideas are automatically true.

Denying a historical fact - that Christ existed - is not the same as denying that Darwin's ideas are valid.

That's just an illogical statement.

Do you believe Jesus existed-faith founded on fact.

Immaterial.

38 posted on 11/11/2004 6:08:59 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: shubi

There is absolutely no comparison between Jesus and Darwin. Not surprising a comment from someone who thinks he/she knows that we are somehow flawed and uses Vitamin C to dispute an entire belief. Blowing in the wind........


89 posted on 11/11/2004 10:08:19 AM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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