Posted on 11/10/2004 12:48:53 PM PST by CHARLITE
Atop the list of things driving Americas leftists insane over the 2004 election, is the fact that all of their secular socialist ideas of an irresponsible, increasingly government dependent society, were shot down in flames by Christian conservatives who reclaimed their moral high ground, and the country they built upon that rock
Atheists and Agnostics from those blue dots sprinkled in a few corners of the country are scrambling to advance their theory that morals and religion have no connection.
Christians who claim Jesus was a Commie are scrambling to advance their argument that the conservative Right is cherry-picking their morals, attacking Abortion and Homosexuality in a bigoted fashion, while selfishly over-looking the poor and the disenfranchised.
Both are convinced they have a severe image problem, but find no flaws in their basic ideology. "We need to work really hard at reclaiming some language," said the Rev. Robert Edgar, general secretary of the liberal-leaning National Council of Churches.
The religious right has successfully gotten out there shaping personal piety issues - civil unions, abortion - as almost the total content of 'moral values,'" Edgar said. "And yet you can't read the Old Testament without knowing God was concerned about the environment, war and peace, poverty. God doesn't want 45 million Americans without health care."
Now Im no preacher, but I have read the good book a time or two, and I dont recall free national health care being mentioned in the Bible anywhere. Personally, Im for a free Rolls Royce in every driveway, but I couldnt find that in the Bible anywhere either.
As for the Atheists and Agnostics, it seems to me the miraculous outcome of the 2004 election alone, indicates there might be something to that Christ fellow. He hasnt physically been on earth for some 2000 years, yet he managed to get out the vote in record numbers. Now thats impressive!
America, being the most generous nation on earth, not only feeds those Americans who can not feed themselves, but those who wont, and also those around the globe who are having trouble. Who do you think is picking up the tab for all of this American generosity? Largely those rich right-wing Christian conservatives whom everyone loves to hate, thats who
Not only is our tax code geared to send them the bill for all our generosity, in addition, they represent the majority of folks supporting charities over and above that which is taken from them by the government. You almost never hear any of these givers complain meanwhile, the left, who contribute little or nothing, never stop complaining.
Just as the left attempts to re-write American history, they also attempt to re-write a few definitions. Morality: The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality. Virtuous conduct.
Can anyone tell me what is virtuous or moral about Abortion? Dont give me the garbage about a womans Right to do what she wants to her own body, it isnt her body were talking about. Its the body of an innocent unborn child, and its Right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, at the center of this debate.
Can any Christian tell me what the good word says about Homosexuality? Dont bother, I already know what the good book sayss about Homosexuality, so does anyone who has ever read the good book.
What really happened in the 2004 election is Christians reconnected these issues with their core Christian beliefs, leaving behind the idea that they can continue separating their core moral beliefs, from the decisions they make in their lives. Moral people took a moral stand
This is exactly what the left is afraid of, moral people making moral decisions that infringe upon their Right to remain immoral without consequence. Atheists and Agnostics much prefer their set of morals, which dont include such basics as a Right to Life or personal liberty. Some Christians prefer their turn the other cheek, peace not war, communal living Jesus.
In either case, on close inspection we find that it is of course the left, who cherry-pick which moral standards they will subscribe to and support. Their moral standards lead them to defend the life of a baby seal, but not that of an unborn child, their Right to drop the F-bomb anywhere anytime they like, while they insist the dirty word God be removed from public view.
They read the part about forgiveness in the Bible, but not the part about turning from sin. They enjoy the stories of Jesus speaking with prostitutes, accepted the message of salvation, but not the responsibility that comes with it.
I dont doubt that in all cases, they have convinced themselves that they are as moral as anyone, even more than some. I dont even doubt that we can find secularist individuals who do behave better than some individuals on the religious right; we are after all, sinners, all of us.
But this idea that the conservative right is cherry-picking moral standards is simply untrue, as is the notion that moral people can embrace immoral behaviors. Im sure there are exceptions, but by and large, the general rule applies that religious people (by definition) subscribe to standards, a system of absolute right and wrong, and the best among them practice what they preach.
One can make a compelling argument, that those who have no bedrock standards or system of absolute right and wrong, those who cherry-pick which issues they will apply those standards to and which ones they will separate themselves from, have no standards at all really.
We can cherry-pick scripture too; it seems to have become a favorite American pass-time.
But when we look at the scripture as an entire work, their can be little doubt that Jesus was no Commie, quite the contrary. He was no sissy either, having died a brutal tortured death, standing up for his moral convictions, and his very death demonstrated his unwillingness to compromise.
The left needs to reclaim more than some language. Contrary to the wisdom found in those little blue dot areas today, not only was Jesus not a Commie, he wasnt a hypocrite either; not prone to biting the hand that feeds the world, which means, by todays standard, he couldnt possibly be a sniveling liberal either
Comment: jbw@jb-williams.com
I don't know if you're being sarcastic here...but, in case you weren't...voluntary acts of charity, goodwill and love towards other people is alot different than communism, which is, what I like to call: acts of charity, goodwill and love towards other people obtained by force, intimidation, whose dissenters are punished with death.
BIG difference.
"how come Commies hate him so much - that is if they believe in him?"
You just answered your own question. Commies believe in Jesus otherwise they wouldn't be "consumed" with hatred towards him. You can't hate which does not exist.
Sorry about that. I though I had pinged you too.
The passage is in Acts chapter 2 or 3, and in Acts Chapter 5 a man and wife die for lying about how much they planned on donating to the apostles.
The apostles shared all their goods because they expected Christ to return very soon. There is nothing in the Gospels to suggest communal living is to be forced on society, or even ideal. Of course God wants Christians to provide for the poor, the question is what is the best system to do so. Socialism isn't it, no matter how counterintuitive it may feel to some people who find the Robin Hood mentality is the most Biblical world view. The simple fact is the free market provides more goods for more people than a socialized market does. In fact, in Jesus time, Jerusalem and Judea were for the most part, centralized/regulated markets. The Sadducees in Jerusalem dictated production and market prices to the farmers outside the city. Hardly "capitalism".
The market system really did not come into its own until the medieval period in Italy, when fractional reserve banking came into existence. To look for some simplistic on-the-surface commentary on contemporary economics from the Gospels is like looking for commentary on Quantum Physics or technological innovation. The Gospels are about core values and core theological truths, not a litany of programs to execute and understand those values and truths in every age , every period in world history. To suggest otherwise, would mean to dismantle the scientific method and democratic republics, two of many examples that of course aren't explicitly mentioned in the Bible. God gave us brains and logic and discernment, and He gave them to us for a reason--He expects us to use them.
Exactly. See my post #12. Christ certainly would not have been interested in forced "charity."
Maybe they don't like his position on abortions.
Read my #12. Beat you to it.
You are not looking hard enough. . .just get a liberal judge to take a look. . .I'm sure he will find it in there somewhere.
Acts 5:4
"Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? And after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?..."
The type of communal sharing the early saints lived was a voluntary plan. If you wanted to take what you had put in and leave the group you could do so. Try that in communism, and you would be a dead as Ananias and his wife. BTW, their deaths were caused by their lying to the apostles and to God.
I'm going to be initiating a new campaign through my website, and centered around a review of this man's ideas, rallying the Christian communityno matter what their "brand"to start focusing on where the core of the problems afflicting American culture lieour tepid and weak pulpits in America. In my world view, this is the great opportunity the re-election of Bush has given us: four more years to impact the nation and her future for good through the Gospel, without a faith hating Socialist based Administration in the White House standing in the way, a la Clinton.
Read the book. He summarizes all the conclusions I have personally drawn over the last eight years of being engaged out here in the Arena of the War of Ideas. When you are done, send it to your Pastor! Bush and Rummy have the Islamists on their heals, now we have the time and opportunity to MOVE FORWARD.
I just get hung up on that "shall not be infringed" thing.
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