The killing of Theo van Gogh and the aftermath - Report by a Dutch guy

[teezle]

There is something seriously wrong with a religion, that if it is questioned, insulted or slighted in some way, the only acceptable response is death. Even if Van Gogh was pretty vocal about his disdain for Muslims, Jews, etc, it doesn't excuse the Muslim religion from going over the line and killing him, and it doesn't excuse them from beheading innocents in Iraq either. If the Muslim religion is really a religion of peace, they will be outraged at the acts committed in their name, and that outrage is yet to be heard.

Every born Dutch person agrees to that and also a lot of moderate Muslims (see Muslim demonstrations). I must admit that there are also a lot of Muslims and even other columnist on TV that say that Theo van Gogh should have seen it coming. Dispicable in my opinion.

[westmichman]

Thanks for posting!! I think the problem with moderate muslims is that they all have the potential of becoming radical muslims at some point by coming in contact with the wrong people.

[hineybona]

I visit Amsterdam every year for the last 8 years . I have many friends there. I noticed the last few years the growing Moslem population .my cloe friend there has told me , more and more , that street crime is starting to happen in Amsterdam (mostly young Moslem gangs)Another friend is a school teacher there. He too told me that the Islamic kids are major problems there . Arrogant and unwilling to be part of the Dutch society. I saw mush of this behavior myself in recent visits. Please do the righ tthing in Jolland before it's too late. Dont put up with it . It's such a wonderful country .

[backhoe]

Thanks for looking-

[wideminded]

Thank you for taking the time to enlighten us. Your post was more interesting and informative than the news articles on this subject.

[Maigrey]

Thank you for the extra information.

[ThanhPhero]

I have known severa Hollanders and they all speak almost unaccented English. and French. and German. etc.

[Naomi4]

16 million are Dutch and one million are Muslim?

With their birthrate and the birthrate of the original Dutch population, they will own your country in a generation. When that happens, you may get the chance to emigrate, if you are lucky. The Islamic way is "convert or die." Sometimes they kill you anyway just for the bloodlust of it.

The Muslims are going to bring another Dark Ages upon Europe.

This is what you Dutch get for your historic generosity to all cultures.

[bd476]

Teezle, welcome and thank you very much for writing an excellent first hand account on what's going on in the Hague!

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[Bon mots]

Holland used to be a near-perfect country with crappy weather.

Now that Euro-Jihad is beginning there, it's slowly turning to Muslim crap.

[Wormwood]

Great article.

In memory of Mr. Van Gogh, I hereby promise to refer to Muslims as goat****ers as often as possible.

[Ruth C]

I am not ready to give up on the Muslim community in the Netherlands.

The problem is, so many Muslim communities do not stand up and protest the terrorists. I find it really difficult to accept a group which, though it says it is against terrorism, won't turn in such terrorists because they are 'muslims' If you don't want to give up on them, then you should be pushing them to become part of society and stand against the terrorists and radicals who they say have stolen their peaceful religion.

[angkor]

teezle, you've taken a lot of abuse here and i'm sorry for that. I know you've been trying to provide a Dutch perspective on things and I for one appreciate it.

A lot of the people on FR are quick to fire critiques if you violate their perceived "party line", but they are not thinking things through. Many are greatly PO'd about the Islamist threat and this affects their reactions.

When you say "Living in the Netherlands at this moment in time is very unreal," you are experiencing exactly and precisely what America has been going through since 9/11. Particularly in the months following 9/11, Americans were generally in shock about what happened. I imagine that's what's going on in the Netherlands right now.

America does have a "politically correct" crowd that wants to avoid public discussion about the Islamist threat, which is a bad thing (obviously that crowd is not here on FR). However there is an undercurrent of investigation, discussion, books, and of course here on the Internet where these issues are discussed openly. I think if the discussion were more open it would be easier to sort out the Islamists from the "moderate Muslims" who seem to be absolutely silent in America. For example, unlike in Amsterdam we've had no demonstrations by the Muslims against Islamist terrorism. Not one. Zero. This makes us suspect that there really are no "moderate Muslims."

In any case I hope the Dutch government will set a model for Europe and take serious measure against the freedom-hating Islamists.

[Hun in the sun]

" It's such a wonderful country "

It is, and it is because this society
is *tolerant*. Going to Holland is always
like a breeze of fresh air.

I am shocked to read the news and to see
burning buildings in *this* country.

All Nederlandse must stand together now,
against this attack against their way of
life. Everybody.

Living next to the border, let them know
that we are with them.

Hun

[Wormwood]

This makes us suspect that there really are no "moderate Muslims."

Radical Muslims blow themselves up.

Hard-line Muslims buy the bombs for the Radicals.

Moderate Muslims write checks to the hard-liners.

[laconic]

It seems to me from my travels that the major problems are with many young, unassimilated Muslims who are very hostile to everyone non-Muslim and to western culture. In France, they pose a real threat to public order, in contrast to their elders who immigrated from Algeria, quietly practiced Islam, fit into society and often were very successful in business. A friend in Belgium told me that life in parts of his country is unbearable; Moroccan gangs exist even in the smallest villages and the population of radical young Muslims is exploding.

[angkor]

that outrage is yet to be heard.

You didn't read teezle's post carefully, or see the articles about the response in Amsterdam.

There have been several anti-Islamist demos in Amsterdam *by Muslims*. And from what I've read, several hundred in attendance. Theo's film was itself inspired by *a Muslim* (OK, ex-Muslim) woman. And the vice mayor of Amsterdam - a Muslim - has threatened deportations and other measures against Islamists.

That reaction is greatly different from the utter silence of Muslims here in America, but don't confuse what's happening here to what's happening in Holland.

[bd476]

Please forgive my ignorance. It was my impression that radical Muslims started some of the church fires and attacks after the Muslim terrorists were arrested for murdering Theo Van Gogh.

[trashcanbred]

Hi Teezle I worked in Zeist for a while and have been to Utrect a number of times. What I have been reading lately has been very bizarre given how open a society the Dutch are.

I am curious what has been posted on this site that you found incorrect? I have posted a number of stories regarding this situation and everything you have said had already been posted. Anyway thank you for clairifying the whole story for everyone.

Also can you claify something? I have read that a number of PM's and a television personality have been also threatened with their lives. What did they do to have their lives threatened?

[Wormwood]

the population of radical young Muslims is exploding.

Not in Fallujah. ;-)