Posted on 11/10/2004 2:52:53 AM PST by teezle
For the insomniacs, the 3 to 6 AM window can be a lonely vigil. Why, it might be as much as 30 minutes between new threads.
I know, damn, it's enough to put you back to sleep sometimes. ;^)
Sigh, 30 minutes between new threads - so difficult. :-)
Teezle,
First, I want to thank you for your post. I have been interested in the recent events in Holland, as my younger sister is planning to emigrate to Holland to be with her Dutch boyfriend.
I would, however, take slight exception to you criticism of the US role in the Middle East. You didn't elaborate, so I'll go easy.
The founding of the State of Israel was necessitated by the Holocaust in Europe -- the US bears no responsibility for that. Israel's prime supporter & weapons supplier up until 1967 was .... France. The Suez Crisis of 1956 involved the cooperation of Britain, France & Israel against Egypt and it was stopped by Pres. Eisenhower. Finally, the involvement of the US in Middle Eastern affairs is both demanded and derided in the Arab World. It gets demanded by this or that Arab government when they need US to save the regime; it is uniformly derided in the state-controlled Arab media.
I apologize if this seems like a lecture, but many of my fellow Americans don't know their own history and they just assume that the US has always been Israel's chief benefactor.
I knew sooner or later we'd be blamed for what is happening there. Let me ask you a few questions:
1) What did we do, except fight FOR Muslims before 911 Where they murdered 3,000 people and destroyed 2 of the largest building in the world?
2) Why are they after Europeans when you guys are CLEARLY on their side in Iraq and Palestine?
3) Did the US respond to 3,000 murders by burning down Mosques and Islamic schools in the US?
4) Are the Dutch intolerant for reacting to 1 murder by burning down Mosques and schools? Did the US cause your people to react that way? Where is the logic in the statement except an attempt to deny reality and blame others for your incorrect assessment of the situation?
5) Did the Brits stir up the Nazis which lead to the invasion and occupation of the Netherlands? If not, why would you say the US is responsible for Muslims killing van Gogh?
You folks better wake up before it is too late. You better stop excusing the actions of barbarians intent on the destruction of all other religions and cultures. You better stop blaming us and facing the truth or you risk ruin.
I have the impression, correct me if I am wrong, that the young Muslim men in Europe are not especially religious. They are angry, hostile to the greater culture, disaffected, and largely unemployed. Their object seems to be destruction of Western culture.
I think the European welfare culture feeds this growing cancer on the body politic.
I read a very instructive article about the cites (French government housing) that exist outside every French city. They are a breeding ground for hostility and terrorism. They are fed and supported by the French taxpayer.
By the time the Europeans awake to the danger they have imported and nurtured, it may well be too late.
But the Dutch enjoy kindapping, jailing and subjecting to the show trial abuse of those Serbs who dared to defend their country from the Muslim conquest. Release the hostages kept by you in Hague first! Or let God punish you by having your own Kosovo to be ruined and taken away from you.
Holland = Hypocrisy.
Not to all cultures - they keep Serbs who resisted Muslim conquest in Hague dungeon and they harass Poland for not allowing Dutch style slaughter on the innocents. (See The failed Dutch invasion of Poland )
Thank you very much for your post and and information. Welcome aboard.
Canada should take note of this.
Bump
The first rule of war is not to avoid battle but to wage it on your terms. If your terms are so disadvantagous to the enemy that he retreats or surrenders, then you have won without shedding blood but you have still fought, if only in maneuver and not in the actual clashing of blades. Regardless, fight you must. By putting it off till it is the enemy who chooses the point and time of battle, you inadvertently surrender all advantage and momentum to your opponent.
The best thing to do is allow the escalation to go on while you are still the majority and thus have a fighting chance.
One must be inherently suspect of muslims, who in their counter-demonstrations harken quickly to comments like "we want to stay here." Sure they want to stay there!
The islamic "buitenlanders" are clearly invested in their move to "their" cushy, foreign lowland. There aren't many more attractive alternative lands to give them as generous government hand-outs as what the Dutch brand of socialism "en aardgas" offers. Not wanting to leave doesn't "cut it," compared to true abhorrence of the radicals' acts of violence and directly working to stop it, which one has a reason to expect if these "moderate islamics" would side with Dutch culture.
I think the Dutch need to implement a policy that all families in a mosque will be deported if a member of theirs commits an act of terrorism or is caught with terrorist weapons.
Two-to-three hundred at a time, "Go!"
HF
Most Russians, Serbs, Greeks, Makedonians have long ago foreswore any option but option 3. Israel is heading that way too and so is India. I believe soon it's going to get really tight for Islam.
Haha. Unfortunately I think not many born Dutch are likely to pick up some bombs, strap them around their body and walk into a mosque.
Your plan is probably Plan W or so. Thanks for the tip though.
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