Posted on 11/08/2004 7:28:03 PM PST by carrier-aviator
Is anyone else as sick as I am of the one-for-one substitution of the word "Hoilday" for "Christmas," as in Holiday Party, Holiday Shopping, Holiday Season, the Baby's First "Holiday." Christmas is a federal holiday just like Veterans' Day or Thanksgiving. Why shouldn't we mention it?
Take the pledge: refuse to use the word "Holiday" when "Christmas" is correct. To your neighbors and fellow employees say MERRY CHRISTMAS, never Happy Holidays, and if they object simply tell them you are wishing them happiness on the upcoming federal holiday. If they object further, ask them if they'll be going to work on December 25th.
Re: "Christmas" versus "Holiday" (Vanity) From carrier-aviator | 11/10/2004 2:39:50 PM PST new She doesn't celebrate Christmas? She gets no material or physical benefit from it? She works on this Federal Holiday? I don't think so.
Kiss my ass, carrier-aviator. No, I do not celebrate Chirsitmas. I am a Jew. I know Catholics sometimes do not understand this, but not everyone celebrates your holidays. And yes, I work on this federal holiday. Ther is no law that says you cannot.
Shut your piehole if you have no idea what you are talking about.
(1) The Constitution (the same one that empowered the Congress to make Christmas a national holiday) says I don't have to shut my piehole, and
(2) Like it or not, if you are a U.S. citizen Christmas is YOUR holiday too. Enjoy.
(3) As for kissing the rear part of your anatomy: I'll pass. Buh-bye.
You should be ashamed of your language and your arrogant attitude.
I despise these annual whinefests about the phrase "Happy Holidays" or cards indicating same.
With this last post you have totally disgraced your declared Christianity.
Shame.
Language? What language? I refrained from using the three-letter word used so inartfully by the poster to whom I was responding. Save your criticism for her.
Arrogance? I have the Constitution and law on my side. All the previous poster has is a bad, anti-democratic attitude and a fierce resentment that she can't force her minority mindset on the overwhelmingly majority of Americans (although with the progress of political correctness in this country she and her ilk are having more success than one could have imagined).
Nobody is saying you can't say Merry Christmas (no, they're not) so your ranting about the Constitution and the law is over-the-top hysterics.
By language I didn't mean foul, I meant rude and, as I stated, arrogant. You are the one trying to force others to conform, not vice versa.
You've got it backwards. It is Christians who are being forced to censor themselves and not use correct words to describe the Holy Day and Federal Holiday which is the subject of the parties, cards, festivals and pageants that take place in December.
I will say this again for the umpteenth time: if the word CHRISTMAS is good enough for the Congress and the President (in the law they passed in making it an official holiday) it oughta be good enough to grace greeting cards, parties, pageants, and festivals.
It is a perversion of the language to say Happy Holiday or Seasons Greetings when the Holiday and Season to which you are referring has a name, bestowed by the Congress: Christmas.
And, guess what: not everyone who says "Merry Christmas" is referring to the Christian Holy Day. Some are referring to the Federal Holiday.
We have 10 Federal Holidays and all except Christmas are routinely referred to by their proper names. Labor Day is Labor Day. Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving. But "Christmas" is unutterable. Heaven forbid we should call the day by its proper name.
I'm all for Christmas, but I thought the X stood for Christ.
I still think the X stands for Christ.
But if it offends people, maybe I shouldn't do it.
Where? I just bought my Christmas cards today and I was free to choose the ones I wanted and there were plenty about Christmas and plenty with Santa Claus or snowmen. Nobody forced me to buy the latter and I chose, as I always do, the former.
Your problem is you want everyone to have your point of view and they don't and never will. There are plenty of Christians who observe Christmas in a religous manner, so spare us your condemning of others.
I say both, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays (as I think of Christmas and New Years as two *Holidays*). Tough toenails if that grinds your grits.
I have not encountered too many Happy Holidays here in Ontario and Merry Christmas is pretty common.
It is strange how people try to abolish Christian holidays while promoting other religions.
Actually I was pointing out what the left wants Christmas to become.
Thanks all the same, but I respectfully decline.
It does not say I must celebrate Christmas. Show me wher eit says one must. We don't live in a theocracy, no matter how much some would like to make it.
As I said before, you do not know anything about me. I work on Christmas. That way, I can trade up to take my holidays off.
So explain why in your FReepmail you tried to say it cannot be so that I do not celebrate or get some benefit out of Christmas? I work and go to a movie or dinner after work. It's like any other day. Are you unable to understand that?
Bring it on. Show me where I must observe your holiday. Try it.
And one more time: Christmas is not my holiday anymore than Ramadan is yours. It is not part of my religion and never will be. Y'all didn't succeed in your forced conversions and you never will.
This coming from someone whose religion has a history of attempting to force itself on others.
Ah, so you won't let this go. Alright.
Christmas is YOUR holiday, too. Your tax dollars support the government that made this the sole Holy Day to be honored as a Holiday, and federal workers get the day off with pay...so you pay for that too. It, therefore, MOST DEFINITELY, is YOUR Holiday, too. It may not be your Holy Day, but IT IS your HOLIDAY.
And so, the sons pay for the sins of the fathers? That certainly is an enlightened point of view. I don't accept that. Forcible conversion is meaningless and wrong. If you don't believe it in your heart, then you haven't abandoned the former faith or accepted the new.
I will tell you this. At first I found your attitude kinda playful. I like a good political debate. And I sense that you a religious (perhaps Orthodox) Jew. I very much respect that. But as this string has developed you have shown your utter contempt for Christianity and the great majority of the people in this country that practice it.
If I were one of the small percentage of Christians living in Israel I would fully accept the fact that the majority is entitled to imbue society with their religious and cultural values. And if someone were to wish me a Happy Passover or Rosh Hashanah I would simply say "thank you, and I wish the same for you." I wouldn't get on my high horse and say "no thanks, I don't celebrate Passover." And if someone were to throw a feast in honor of one of these holy days I certainly wouldn't be offended by the use of the actual name of the holy day for which the event is being conducted. I wouldn't insist that a Rosh Hashanah feast be entitled a "Holiday" feast.
I recently worked in an office of 40 people. There were no Jews among that number. Yet, we were forbidden to have "Christmas" parties. It had to be "Holiday" parties. Where did that change come from? Did Catholics press for the changes? Mormons? Presbyterians? I think we both know that the changes were wrought by secularists, athesists, and non-religious, militant, anti-Christian Jews. In a free society, people can lobby for whatever cause they like. But just as I would NEVER think to try to dilute the religious feestivals, traditions, and cultures of Jews if I were a Christian living in Israel, I don't understand why some Jews in the U.S. (the non-religious, secular jews, in particular) insist on doing that to the Christian majority here.
I have no contempt for Christians. The ones I count among my friends do not have your "you will accept and respect and honor our holidays" attitude though.
Fine. Don't accept my Holy Day. But accept the National Holiday.
No, I am still working on it if it is a weekday or Sunday. You cannot force anyone to honor it no matter how hard you try and whine.
Work 24 hours on Christmas Day. I don't care. But don't try to limit the expression of U.S. citizens as they try to celebrate that NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
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