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1 posted on 11/07/2004 9:53:37 PM PST by AVNevis
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To: AVNevis

Kind of a hot topic where you are, huh? Check out plenty of the posts on FR. Run a serch. Do you have an outline yet?


2 posted on 11/07/2004 9:58:01 PM PST by endthematrix (CRUSH ISLAMOFACISM!)
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If you play to the security issue of uncontrolled borders, you should be able to approach the subject of border control without getting your head taken off by any pro immigration people in your audience.

Site the number of people aprehended trying to cross the board each day and make a link to the possibility that the thousands more getting through could very likely include terrorists.

And when giving your speech, remember the basics of the five part essay.

1. Introduction and statement of controlling idea (go with three seperate points releated to immigration).

2. Discussion of point 1.

3. 2. Discussion of point 2.

4. 2. Discussion of point 3.

5. Restate controlling idea and conclusion.


5 posted on 11/07/2004 10:03:15 PM PST by gogov
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Cutting edge info concerning Illegal Immigration : american patrol.com
6 posted on 11/07/2004 10:04:13 PM PST by Freesofar ( We got capital....what's in your wallet Ted Kennedy,? credit denied ?)
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Illegals take jobs away from the poorest Americans and depress wages for the poorest Americans.


10 posted on 11/07/2004 10:17:32 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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Please use common sense if using material from the american patrol site. Much of the material is extremist hyperbole'(just my style) and will not be welcome in a school setting, but there may be some useful info there. Some of the info would be seen as "RACIST" by the sensitive.
So please be careful


11 posted on 11/07/2004 10:30:19 PM PST by Freesofar ( We got capital....what's in your wallet Ted Kennedy,? credit denied ?)
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We'll, here's a different twist, but something I would be interested in:

Compare and contrast Mexico's current immigration laws (yes, to immigrate TO Mexico) to what Mexico wants our immigration laws to be. After all Vincente Fox is going to start pressuring President Bush for immigration reforms now.

Mexico is pretty lax about letting retirees come in as long as they have a proven monthly income over a certain $ amount, but others have to have some pretty serious cash to invest to be able to qualify for residency and to work much less citizenship.

But the U.S. is considering granting guest worker status to 8 million Mexicans who broke the law to get here? And there is one measure in Congress to give 500,000 illegals residency and another to allow immigrant students to pay the same tuition as citizens.

It's a different twist on a really good topic.

Good luck! Let us know if we can help!

12 posted on 11/07/2004 10:31:23 PM PST by JanetteS (My heart is as light as a song!)
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Perhaps some of the people on the illegal immigration ping list can help you out. Hey guys, a young patriot could use a some assistance.


14 posted on 11/07/2004 10:32:57 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Be legal or be gone.)
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In your speech, please DO NOT call them "illegal aliens." Instead, call them what they really are, Criminal Aliens.

Search topic ideas:
immigrant
deportation
deportee
deported
immigration
border patrol
illegals
amnesty (much as I hate the idea :)
hispanic
migrant
mexico
mexican
illegal alien
criminal alien
border

Check the border state forums also. Here's the one for Texas.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/t-tx/browse

For the other states, just change the two letter state abbreviation in the URL.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/t-nm/browse will get you New Mexico.

Some arrest stats: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1267099/posts

There's a wealth of info here on FR.

Good luck to you!

15 posted on 11/07/2004 10:35:24 PM PST by upchuck (Pajamas? I don' need no steenking pajamas!!)
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You've come to the right place. Collectively we know everything.


17 posted on 11/07/2004 10:38:39 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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18 posted on 11/07/2004 10:39:00 PM PST by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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Ask me about illegal aliens.

(Ummmmm...actually, please don't: I may rant!)


21 posted on 11/07/2004 11:01:44 PM PST by Monkey Face (Life is too short to dance with ugly men.)
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About all I can add are some odd perspectives from both sides of the Rio Grande.

My work relates to a U.S. based company with a factory in Mexico involved in the maquiladora program. And until recently, my wife worked for many years on the west coast doing HR work for a auto detailing company that hires illegals for low-skill, low-pay jobs. Hence, the detailing compnay has no quams about hiring illegals.

Now, somewhere in your speech or when doing research for it, you are bound to come across the argument that "at least illegals pay income taxes". My wife would tell you flat out that they do not. Her experience is thus: When illiegals applied for jobs, they would elect to have no taxes witheld from their paychecks. They would also present a forged Social Security card with a bogus SS number. Sometimes, the card was forged, but the SS number was real, albeit stolen.

Some months later, the company would be informed that the SS number they were given was bogus. HR would then contact the employee to correct this. By then, the employee would either move onto another employer or present yet another bogus card and number, thus repeating the process a few months later. Meanwhile, they earned an income and no federal or state income tax was deducted. Typically, the employee would quit before tax time.

In defense of an employer who can only offer low-skill, low-pay jobs, one might say that no one but illegal aliens would take jobs like these, so "they fill a needed void". This isn't accurate. When the economy started to tank in 2000, my wife started to receive resumes from degreed professionals. Even before then, other non-aliens would often look for a supplemental job to make a few extra dollars. Unfortunately, the illegals seem to network very well and have inside information as to when a job would open up. They would be first in line with a job application before the employer could even put out a help wanted ad. In this case, there was no "void" that could only be filled by illgal aliens. They shut out non-aliens by keeping a supply of willing illegals ready for an unethical employer.

On the other side of the coin (or the border in this case), some have sympathy (libs especially) for illegals due to a lack of jobs in Mexico. But how many people in the U.S. know that Mexico's government is really socialist? All the utilities are state controlled and are not surprisingly unreliable and over priced. How many jobs could be created by privatizing those markets? Vincente Fox or not, the government is still crooked there and syphons money everywhere it can. Just like a hard core socialist country, anything of worth is state owned and their socialized healthcare is a joke... and a sad one at that.

One can feel sympathetic toward people escaping a country like that, but I can't feel sympathetic toward anyone who would leave his country rather than stay and try to make a change. At least the Mexican people that my employer employs stay in Mexico while earning decent wages.


23 posted on 11/07/2004 11:09:29 PM PST by Outland (Socialists/liberals/greens/progressives/commies: Losers! Go home to France.)
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Many illegals come here for low paying jobs, then smuggle their wives and children over and send them right to the welfare office, WIC, and to sign up for free medical card and section 8 housing. Not to mention the strain on public schools, hopitals, and local services such as water, garbage pick up, and electricity, roadway wear and tear, and the traffic accidents they cause.

Some are criminals that come back across time after time and our prison population is expensive and over crowded. Aside from that, any group of terrorist can leave a highway in Mexico and drive nuclear weapons across land right into a major city.

Mexicans are not the only illegals crossing the Southern and Northern borders, they come from all over the world for American freebies.


24 posted on 11/07/2004 11:11:45 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Don't forget to look into the Ford Foundation's evil history of promoting divisiveness and non-assimilation.

At the Ford Foundation ethnicity is always job 1

Worthy read for everyone concerning traitors behind the scenes.

27 posted on 11/08/2004 12:43:25 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Wanted - compasses that point south for giving out to the "lost".)
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"Hey, can you guys do my speech for me?" ;)


28 posted on 11/08/2004 12:45:34 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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I doubt very seriously if any of the highschool students are interested in social security as that subject seems so many years away. However, one interesting tidbit about the Totalization with Mexico that will be submitted to Congress within the next year is that all of the American highschool students will have to work 10 years to be eligible for social security benefits and a Mexican illegal will have to work only 18 months to be eligible.


29 posted on 11/08/2004 4:41:23 AM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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Here's the legal research you need for TITLE 8 re aliens.

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 14 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 1611

§ 1611. Aliens who are not qualified aliens ineligible for Federal public benefits

http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001611----000-.html


31 posted on 11/08/2004 4:56:33 AM PST by B4Ranch (A lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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Here's an article that will certainly give your fellow students something to think about.

Not Yours to Give

32 posted on 11/08/2004 5:15:20 AM PST by B4Ranch (A lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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I personally like this place for news/updates on the border scene:

American Patrol

These PACs are dedicated to immigration reduction/border control and ought to have some good information:

TeamAmericaPAC
Federation for American Immigration Reform
Center for Immigration Studies

If you have the time, American Immigration Control Foundation publishes books on the subject--I personally recommend America Balkanized by Dr. Brent Nelson. He's slightly scary, but the book is excellent, very scholarly, very high-quality. It was written in 1994, but his analysis still holds and it is very interesting to read ten years later light of the fact that some of the things he hints at (i.e., Mex-meddling in U.S. politics, orthodox Islam and its lack of distinction between religion and politics and the effect that might have on the United States what with the growing Muslim immigration) are now coming true. If you order it through their site, it's just $6.00.

AICF is an offshoot, I believe of Americans for Immigration Control.

34 posted on 11/08/2004 7:38:00 AM PST by MegaSilver
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Good luck, AVNevis, and after you give the speech, please give us a report as to how it went and what sort of reaction you got. Thanks!


35 posted on 11/08/2004 7:40:16 AM PST by Nea Wood (I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.)
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