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EWuropeans Wondering If Americans Are Just Dumb
The Chicago Tribune ^ | 11/07/04 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 11/07/2004 12:02:58 PM PST by lsilver5

Simon Schama divides us into two nations. One America is a perimeter, lying on the oceans or the fuzzy boundary with the Canadian lakes, and is porous and outward-looking. The other America is continental and landlocked, its roots of obstinate self-belief buried deep beneath the bluegrass and high corn. It is time we called these two Americas something other than Republican and Democrat. How about "Godly America" and "Worldly America?" Godly America is "mythic, messianic, conversionary, given to acts of public witness. Worldly America is a lot more like Europe. It is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world. While 11 U.S. states voted to reject any notion of gay marriage, almost every state in Europe is moving to embrace the idea. While U.S. conservatives dream of the day when the Supreme Court overturns Roe vs. Wade, publicly funded abortions are taken for granted in most of Europe. In America, capital punishment has flourished. In Europe, the abolition of the death penalty is a prerequisite for membership in the European Union. When the Founding Fathers drafted the Constitution, they took pains to erect a high wall between church and state. The new American majority wants to lower the wall. Meanwhile, the EU fought to keepfree of any references to God or religion. What Europeans seem to dislike about Bush is not that he is faithful to his wife but the "moral certainty" of his pronouncements. For Europeans as well as Americans, this election was a milestone. "Europeans have to open their eyes to the fact that the U.S. today is rather a different place than what it used to be," Now deal with it. America has spoken, the rest of the world should listen.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americana; culturewars; elections; europe; politicaldivide
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1 posted on 11/07/2004 12:02:58 PM PST by lsilver5
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To: lsilver5

Yup! We're stupid. But we're not as stupid as the unwashed French and Germans.


2 posted on 11/07/2004 12:04:34 PM PST by Lunkhead_01
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To: lsilver5
How about "Godly America" and "Worldly America?"

How about europe, just STHU?

Keep their own doorsteps clean.

(Nice article to kill tourism for europe.)

3 posted on 11/07/2004 12:06:32 PM PST by the Deejay (ACLU = America's Clueless LUNATICS United.)
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To: Lunkhead_01

Since the correlation between national IQ and economic performance has been shown quite convincingly, and since the unemployment rate is roughly 2x the US in Germany and France,...


4 posted on 11/07/2004 12:07:16 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: lsilver5

----How about "Godly America" and "Worldly America?"----

How about "America" and "Those Outbound for Canada"?

-Dan

5 posted on 11/07/2004 12:09:17 PM PST by Flux Capacitor (HEY, DEMOCRATS: WE WILL BURY YOU.)
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To: lsilver5

What is all this landlocked crap I keep reading?!?

Starting from Texas all the way up to Virginia, there are lots of waterfront etc.

These guys really need a map.


6 posted on 11/07/2004 12:10:22 PM PST by najida (Liberals: Clueless, arrogant, elitist snobs.... Their mama's didn't raise'em right.)
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To: lsilver5

Next time could you please post a link to the article, not just the newspaper?


7 posted on 11/07/2004 12:11:30 PM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: lsilver5
Maybe the elite of Europe will understand us more if we rephrase -in more modern terms - the message our forefathers sent them in 1776: "F*ck Off."

 

8 posted on 11/07/2004 12:11:48 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: lsilver5
"Europeans have to open their eyes to the fact that the U.S. today is rather a different place than what it used to be,"

I disagree. America is simply maintaining the traditional values of Western civilization. It is Europe that has changed and thrown them overboard.

9 posted on 11/07/2004 12:12:07 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: lsilver5

Yeah, OK, Europe, we're stupid. SO ignore us, and never, ever, ever call us for help in anything, because we're stupid and you smart guys don't need our help, tourism, trade, etc. OK?


10 posted on 11/07/2004 12:13:17 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: lsilver5

The vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to lower the wall the founding fathers erected. They do WANT the flimsey extensions built with false reasoning, to be eliminated.

While some of the founding fathers may not have been fervently religious, none of them wanted God and moral values completely eliminated from the political process.

The guideline is this. The government shall make no law governing the establishment of a religion. The practice of religion is untouchable as long as it doesn't flagrantly violate reasoned moral values.

The idea that God couldn't mentioned in the classroom is absurd. The idea that the ten commandments couldn't be posted in public institutions equally so.

The United States was founded as a nation under a clearly Christian influence. U.S. citizens should never forget this, or be ashamed to declare this fact.

The idea that Mohamdism, Santeria, Bhudism and other religions should stand on equal footing in the U.S. with Christianity, is the real absurdity. Those religions are celebrated in other societies. Those who think they are better than Christianity should move to the societies that have adopted them, and live under the conditions their worshipers created.

It is astounding to me, that people should look at what the observers of those religions created in their nations of origion, then demand that our society adopt them here.

Christianity was the guiding influence on the nation that gained unquestioned predominance on the planet. And now it is being disected by adherants to everything else. Sad.


11 posted on 11/07/2004 12:15:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: lsilver5

I like to think of them as EUnuchs.


12 posted on 11/07/2004 12:16:10 PM PST by WestTexasWend
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"Europeans have to open their eyes to the fact that the U.S. today is rather a different place than what it used to be,"

This guy is clueless. That's right, we used to all be rabid European type secularists, but we've all suddenly seen the religious light!

Maybe a Judeo Christian nation just lost control for a while to liberal judges in the 60's and 70s? Punishment for the Demo stranglehold in that time. And now, thanks to Rush, Reagan, and the internet, the MSM has lost its grip and that is being corrected.


13 posted on 11/07/2004 12:16:19 PM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: lsilver5
When the Founding Fathers drafted the Constitution, they took pains to erect a high wall between church and state.

If this fool took the time to look at how the Founding Fathers acted and interpreted the provisions of the Constitution at the time he might learn something ...the passive wall the Founding Fathers drafted in the Constitution is still there but it been buried under a pogrom by the left to purge god from the public square

14 posted on 11/07/2004 12:17:25 PM PST by tophat9000
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To: lsilver5
Couple of inaccuracies:

"Europeans have to open their eyes to the fact that the U.S. today is rather a different place than what it used to be,"

Actually, Europe has changed greatly from what it was 50 or even 30 years ago. American attitudes and values have changed much less.

When the Founding Fathers drafted the Constitution, they took pains to erect a high wall between church and state. The new American majority wants to lower the wall.

Not really. Some of us just think the attempts to constantly make the wall taller need to stop.

Very odd. It's Europe (and liberal America) that has changed, as any reasonable person will agree, yet somehow it is "real America" that has become a different place simply because we exercise our right to refuse to follow them into depravity, decay and decline.

15 posted on 11/07/2004 12:18:00 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: lsilver5

Rednecks to the North of me.
Rednecks to the South of me.
Atlantic to the East of me
Rednecks to the West of me.

Proud, USDA Grade A, redneck here.
Southern by the Grace of God!


16 posted on 11/07/2004 12:19:13 PM PST by uncleshag (Send the light !)
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To: DoughtyOne
The idea that Mohamdism, Santeria, Bhudism and other religions should stand on equal footing in the U.S. with Christianity, is the real absurdity.

This used to be said of Catholicism.

17 posted on 11/07/2004 12:19:32 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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While U.S. conservatives dream of the day when the Supreme Court overturns Roe vs. Wade, publicly funded abortions are taken for granted in most of Europe.

Yep. And only sixty years ago, publicly funded death camps were taken for granted in most of Europe too.

18 posted on 11/07/2004 12:20:15 PM PST by John Thornton
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To: lsilver5

Yes, we Americans are dumb like a fox. We have voted for what is best for America not what is best for France. Hey wake up Frenchies, you are not the center of the universe.


19 posted on 11/07/2004 12:20:28 PM PST by trailboss800
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To: lsilver5

Hillarious. Ignorant Europeans lecturing us on our "ignorance".

LOL! OMG make it stop! LMAO!

Do they even *know* they have an Oil for Food scandal?


20 posted on 11/07/2004 12:22:50 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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